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Mr. HoLLiNGS. You are mistaken as to the first point. The point is it- 

 impacts upon the coastal zone. 



Mr. BiDEN. How does it impact upon the coastal zone ? 



Mr. HoLLiNGS. I ask the Senator to get his report — we all have it on 

 top of our desks — and start reading at the bottom of page 11 and top 

 of page 12. For example, Brown & Root is planning on going in there 

 at Cape Charles. Under the concept of the Senator from Arkansas, the 

 construction of platforms to do offshore drilling, in itself would not 

 qualify for an impact, but only if drilling gets any of that oil, and it 

 comes ashore in that coastal zone. His argument is that the fabricating 

 plant has not impacted there at all ; therefore, they do not deserve any 

 impact. 



My answer is that, if they go in and start building that manufactur- 

 ing plant, they have had the impact of the need for schools, water lines, 

 sewer lines, maybe highway redesign, and everything else. 



That is a fundamental concern of the Coastal Zone Management. 

 Act. The amendments of the committee do not require it be consumed 

 or used within the coastal zone. He is very right. We could ship it all 

 to Arkansas from Cape Charles, Va., and Virginia could never experi- 

 ence any of that oil and gas. 



Mr. BroEX. Being from a coastal State that is an appealing 

 argument. 



I give another example. Assume the Schaeffer Brewing Co. came in 

 and wanted to build a plant in a coastal zone area. They are an ol)nox- 

 ious kind of industrj'^, use a great deal of water, impact adversely, and 

 hire a lot of people. Assume the Schaeffer Brewing plant comes in 

 and builds a plant in the coastal zone, is the Senator telling me that 

 we coastal zone States, which have submitted to the rationale of the 

 Coastal Zone JVIanagement Act, should be in fact remunerated for the 

 beer that is shipped to Arkansas ? 



Mr. HoLLiNGS. No. I would answer my distinguished colleague from 

 Delaware, obviously not. It is not an energy facility unless we go along 

 with that idea that if we drink some we get a little energy, or, what- 

 ever that beverage ad is one hears on the radio. That is not an energy 

 facility and it is not covered under the bill. 



Mr. BiPEN. What about the fact in the example of the turbine 

 construction. 



Mr. HoLLiNGS. That is an energy facility, that is right. 



Mr. BiDEN. I have it. I understand what the Senator is saying. 



Mr. Hoi.LiNGS. All right. 



Mr. BiDEN. I do not agree with him, but I understand what he is 

 saying. I understand his argument. I do not think there is any merit 

 to it, but I understand it. 



Mr. HoLLiNGS. We are willing to yield back our time. I wanted to 

 be able to clarify the questions. We'are not trying to hold its up. 



Is the Senator from Arkansas prepared to vote ? 



Mr. Bumpers. Mr. President, I have run out of arguments, and I 

 do not want to repeat the old ones any longer, I feel, as I said a mo- 

 ment ago, this goes far beyond what most of us anticipated and what 

 many of us at least think is good law no matter how sensitive we may 

 be in the coastal zone States. But I foresee a great deal of mischief 

 being played by leaving this in. 



