66. 



it is almost as economical, considering all the loading and unloading, 

 to transport it 200 miles. The transportation cost per mile is impor- 

 tant, but it is not necessarily the major item. 



DR. HEDMAN: It seems to me there is a great difference be- 

 tween transportation between points in your own installation and points 

 in different installations. Some citizens object to having radioactive 

 wastes hauled across their water supply. 



DR. LINDSEY: The slugs are moved generally in large casks 

 that have 9 to 1 1 inches of lead.. The cask weighs approximately ten 

 tons, and the slugs weigh one to two thousand pounds. We have to 

 transport a tremendous amount of lead to carry a limited amount of 

 the fuel element. The cost is less for the fuel element then for the 

 shielding, particularly under the present regulations, -where we almost 

 always have an escrot guarding a shipment of this sort. There is an 

 incentive to reduce the transportation if there is a way to do it. 



DR. WATKINS: I want to ask whether it is feasible at all to 

 transport ion-active liquid waste by common carrier, and if so, how 

 much could you haul it for? 



DR. R. J. RUSSELL: May I add something to that question. 

 The transportation of radioactive material in this country by common 

 carrier is controlled by the Interstate Commerce Commission, and 

 they have very definite rules, and anybody can read them. 



DR. HEDMAN: I might add one thing to that. I have recently 

 looked over the I.C.C. regulations, and they specifically state that 

 you must transport according to the I.C.C. regulations unless it is 

 done by or for the A.E.C. under escort, in which case the I.C.C. 

 doesn't seem to care. 



DR. HAWKINS: It seems to me the proper design of a pipline 

 has some possibility, and there has been some experience on pipelines. 

 I wonder if somebody would say something about that. 



DR. LINDSEY: The pipelines at Hanford consist generally of a 

 concrete encasement in which are laid two or three stainless steel 

 lines, and covered by a concrete cap. The encasement and space 

 around the pipe is carefully constructed so it drains, and the drainage 

 is monitored to be certain there is no leakage from the pipes. The in- 

 stallation is extremely expensive. 



