1 Unless there's a controversy, particularly for the fisherman, I 



2 don't see how you're going to get them, --unless they can see some 



3 threat'-I don't see how you're going to get them to come to a table and 



4 talk. 



5 It's just the nature of the industry, it's small individuals out 



6 on boats. They don't have the time to come to a meeting like this and 



7 spend 3 days sitting around talking about a problem, they want to go out 



8 and fish and earn a living, whereas the oil industry has got a fairly 



9 substantial structure so we can get those like Jim here to come and 



10 present whatever their side of the argument is. 



11 So, we're almost in a bind in that the people you need to have at 



12 the meetings you can't get there unless you've already got the 



13 controversy. Of course we don't want the controversy and that's why 



14 we're having this meeting. 



15 I just don't know how to resolve it. It's basically the same 



16 problem all over. 



17 MR. VILD: Let me tell you what Governor Garrahy did, the governor 



18 of Rhode Island back in the early '80s, 1980 I think it was. Through 



19 his energy office, for whom I worked at the time, letters were sent out 



20 to the chief executive officers of the oil companies who were the 



21 successful bidders on lease sale 42. 



22 They also went out to the skippers of as many fishing vessels as 



23 we could obtain, however long a list that we could obtain. The idea was 



24 to have the chief executive officer from one industry talking to the 



25 chief executive officer from another industry, and treating each one of 



26 those fishing vessels as it's own separate company. 



27 It was nice. We were down in Newport and we had dinner and the 



28 governor made a presentation and people were arranged at different 



29 tables and there was a nice mix of the oil company people and the 



30 fisherman, and we got a pretty decent turnout. 



31 It took a couple of follow-up calls, certainly. My boss was 



32 saying, I could hear him in the next room, and he was saying to some of 



33 the people--not only the fisherman--"You said you were coming and I'm 



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