1 Once we start to summarize the individual paragraphs, there needs 



2 to be some way to track back to where you got the information. 



3 DR. BUTMAN: For example, one of the statements which we all make 



4 about canyons are that they are very productive environments or heavily 



5 fished environments. I have never seen, you know, specific numbers of 



6 crab pots per unit of canyon area versus open sloping. Maybe that 



7 exists. 



8 DR. COOPER: It doesn't exist and you won't see it. We can make 



9 it up. There are fisheries decisions that have been made for 100s of 



10 years, made on the best guesstimates. 



11 DR. AURAND: In that case, I think that is also an important 



12 conclusion to put into the document, 



13 DR. HECKER: The density of lobster pots that I maintain go in 



14 canyons is about six fold over the slope, okay? There is your personal 



15 communication. 



16 The ghost gear in canyons--diving, I have dived on the slope, at 



17 the slope/shelf break and I have dived in the canyon heads with you and 



18 with you, and the amount of ghost gear around and the amount of fishing 



19 gear around in canyons is much higher than on the slope. 



20 DR. AURAND: When you have a reference, when you know there is 



21 data, we should say where the data is available and when, in fact, it 



22 represents a best professional judgment, which is a more polite term for 



23 saying what you just said, we should say that, as well. I think that is 



24 important. 



25 DR. TEAL: Could I make a suggestion? I absolutely agree, but I 



26 would like to see the 100 words not references. 



27 DR. AURAND: I agree with that. 



28 DR. TEAL: I would like to see a 100 words without anything except 



29 easy-to-read sentences on how many pages that takes, about 4 pages to 



30 put all that down on. Then another, maybe, the same kind of thing in 



31 the same order, that says where those paragraphs came from. 



32 But the people who read the paragraph and the people who read 



33 where the paragraph came from will be the same people in many cases, but 



34 in a lot of cases, they won't be. Having all the caveats and the 



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