1 DR. VALENTINE: Well, in a way, I am glad the day went as it did 



2 because I think a combined discussion from these Panels A and B was much 



3 more productive than it would have been separately. 



4 DR. BUTMAN: I think it is also important to have a leader for the 



5 discussion. I think you filled that role very well this afternoon. 



6 DR. AURAND: You did a nice job this morning. 



7 DR. BUTMAN: I think you almost need to nail people ahead of time, 



8 and say, "We need you to lead," to have a little bit better idea ahead 



9 of time and have discussion leaders that will push that, because the 



10 group just can't provide its own direction. 



11 DR. AURAND: What do you think about professional facilitators in 



12 that regard? There are people who do that for a living, drive meetings 



13 along. 



14 DR. GRASSLE: I think it's much better to have somebody 



15 knowledgeable. 



16 DR. TEAL: I think he was better than a professional facilitator 



17 and you were better. 



18 MS. HUGHES: You want someone who is familiar with the subject. 



19 DR. TEAL: Brad's idea of designating someone, I mean, he, I 



20 think, is saying he would have been a little happier had he known. 



21 DR. BUTMAN: I was sort of designated because I was a discussion 



22 leader. I think if you lined people up ahead of time and you need to 



23 find people who are really interested in the problem and who are willing 



24 to work and spend the time to do it. 



25 DR. AURAND: Clarify what their job is. Your job is to come up 



26 with, and exactly what that is. I wasn't expecting to do this, either. 



27 DR. KRAEUTER: I agree that you need people who are professionally 



28 trained at things like this, rather than facilitators, because if they 



29 don't understand where things are going and they don't understand the 



30 field, the whole thing falls apart and the scientific community gets 



31 disgusted and walks away because the facilitator doesn't understand the 



32 fundamental errors in trying to drive the discussion in a way that 



33 people don't need to go or they don't know when the consensus has been 



34 reached. 



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