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Dr. White. The amount authorized by the bill is $6 million for 

 that work. The amount of money in our base remains approximately 

 $2.5 million for this kind of work. 



Senator Hollings. For the New York Bight? 



Dr. White. That is right, sir. 



Senator Hollings. All right. 



Dr. White. We are also working with EPA to consider the possi- 

 bility of utilizing a site off the Outer Continental Shelf for disposal 

 of wastes from the New York and Philadelphia metropolitan areas. 



Through our manned undersea science and technology program, 

 we have supported investigations of dump sites in southern California. 

 Underseas technology provides unique opportunities for first-hand 

 observation of dumping problems. We plan to continue to utilize 

 it as an important aid in characterizing potential dump sites and 

 to survey and monitor the extent of the impact of dumping. 



Senator Hollings. Governor Rockefeller testified last week relative 

 to the study of the clean air and clean water divisions. He is on 

 one of the study commissions. We discussed the New York Bight, 

 and it seems like New York is putting in a substantial effort there' 

 to forego any further pollution and dumping. 



Wliat is New Jersey, or what is the Philadelphia area doing? 

 Are they similarly acting in a laudable fashion ? Are they cooperating 

 in putting in pul3lic bonds as they have done in the State of New 

 York, or not? 



I am just wondering what coordination and what support and 

 cohesion you have from New Jersey and Philadelphia. 



Dr. White. With your permission, perhaps, I could ask Dr. Allan 

 Hirsch, who is director of our marine ecosystems analysis program, 

 if he lias that information. 



Dr. HiRSGH. I have some, sir. I think those two States are moving 

 ahead to construct sewage plants, but the problem is that in provid- 

 ing higher levels of sewage treatment, you also provide higher levels 

 of sludge which have been disposed of by ocean dumping. 



So in the case of Philadelphia, for example, Senator, Philadelphia 

 is dumping sludge at sea now and is continuing to seek permission 

 from EPA to dump increased loadings of sludge at sea. 



In that regard, we are working with EPA to look at the possi- 

 bilities of a site off the edge of the Outer Continental Shelf, and we 

 will be evaluating that in the months that lie ahead. 



Senator Hollings. But Philadelphia or Pennsylvania is not isr^uing 

 anv bonds as New York did ? 



Dr. HiKSCH. I can't speak to how they are financing their cleanup. 

 Thev are moving ahead with construction of waste treatment facilities. 



The point I would emphasize is that that does not in itself solve 

 the ocean dumping problem, because you then have to get rid of the 

 sludge. 



Senator Hollings. Thank you, sir. 



AIR pollution 



Mr. White. Air polhition has been an important contributor of 

 wastes to the ocean. Most of us tend to associate oil pollution witli 

 shipping and offshore drilling for oil. but their contribution to the 

 man-imposed burden of pollutants to the ocean may very well take a 



