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Mr, Salmox. Senator, I think we all appreciate the situation. Some 

 of us who have been on the East Coast — and I am not familiar with 

 the West Coast concerns — are very much concerned about the sevei'ity 

 of this problem. From the Department's point of view, we feel the 

 long tenn success for a solution lies in international negotiation. 



However, this does take a good deal of time, and can often become 

 extremely frustrating when one is trying to reach an agreement within 

 a reasonable period of time. 



Senator Ste\t:xs. Let me again say, not facetiously, but I would 

 suggest that if it is at all possible for your people to go to Alaska and 

 over the Pole, you should do it.The salmon nin will be going on tlien, 

 but I can put you on one of the CG patrol planes, just about 8 hours — 

 there is plenty of room on them — and take you out and let you see 

 what we are talldng about, because I do not think you realize you 

 are talking about tilings that are the size of some of those buildings 

 you see right near the U.X., and that these people are living out there 

 year round. 



They are not going back and forth like our vessels are, back and 

 forth to shore and bringing the catch back to shore.They are shipping 

 the stuff back after the factory ships pack it. They are going back on 

 freighters. 



They have pennanent colonies in the North Pacific right off our 

 shores, and we are not doing a damn thing about it, and it really is 

 quite disturbing. 



I am very serious. I am going to make that suggestion to the Sec- 

 retary, as I said, but I hope some of you would see some pei-sonal ad- 

 vantage in talving the trip anyway. 



]Mr. Salmox. I would like that. 



Senator Ste\-exs. Wetting a line along the way is always pleasant. 



Mr. Salmox. I will see to it that it is promptly attended to. 



Senator Ste\-exs. Thank you, very much. I sent for those pieces of 

 those nets. I will be happy to show them to you if they get here. I 

 liave pieces of the latest nets that were brought in, and you cannot 

 find a mark on them to identify it. 



You ought to take some of it over to Geneva and see what people over 

 there say about it. 



Mr. Salmox. I would suggest, and this is not a considered obser- 

 vation at this point, that it may not be necessary to bring to the atten- 

 tion of another government a specific ship that was involved in such 

 an incident if we were able to impress upon that government that they 

 were involved, or that their people or their flagships were involved. 

 There may well then be an opportunity to move negotiations a little 

 faster. 



Senator Ste^-exs. I appreciate that comment. It seems to me that 

 we have little opportunity at the present time to impress on you people 

 the impact of what we are doing. 



The gi-eat difficulty that we have is that we have an area that has 

 got half the coastline of the United States. There are two CG vessels, 

 one north of the chain and one south of the chain. There are two patrol 

 planes, one going northeast — northwest — and one going southwest 

 daily. 



Now, only by accident do they come across the people that are 

 violating our territorial waters, and that is the primary object of the 



