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Dr. NiEREXBEKG. Before answering your f|iiestion, or resjwnding 

 to it, I would like to introduce Dr. Douglas Brool<s, who is executive 

 director of NACOA. 



I have to start from a base to answer your question. '\Miat serious 

 thinking we did about the last year, we were talking about $9 million 

 in terms of the first year, and I will use that as my departure point. 



That was approximately 1 year ago. and times have changed a bit. 

 As I remember, in the first year, the adjninistration intended, in that 

 initial step, to put the money into planning and later allocate funds 

 for administering effective organization in tlie States — if I recall the 

 precise details — once the organizational setup is, in a sense, approxed 

 by the Federal Government. 



It seems to us, last year, that $9 million was a good beginnmg, from 

 what we kncAv of the activities of the individual States. But we do now 

 have more experience, Mr. Chairman. I don't need to be parochial, 

 but California has passed proposition 20, the various regional com- 

 missions are working now. The statewide commission, which is respon- 

 sible for overall standards and appeals and for developing statewide 

 plans, is fmictioning. We have a better estimate of what our real costs 

 are of getting this sort of operation going. 



The State of California provided $5 million that is not turning out 

 to be adequate, by at least a factor of two. On that basis, and considei-- 

 ing the needs of the other States, and the rate at which they would come 

 into the program and so on, I dare say that something nearer to about 

 $20 million — and this is a very rough estimate — would be required for 

 a good initial year. The initial outlay, as you know, never materialized. 

 I think NOAA was able simply to keep the progam office alive with 

 a few hundred thousand dollars of reprogramed money. By now some 

 States are ready to go. So I would say about $20 million could be wisely 

 spent in those first two functions of the act for planning gi'ants and for 

 approved program administration which are at the moment very im- 

 portant in the States beginning to come into the program. 



Senator Tunney. That $20 million vrould be more planning? 



Dr. Nierenberg. And the development of organization, you see. 



Senator Ttjnnet. And you feel, based on your expertise and the woi-k 

 you have done with the California Coastal Commission, that at least 

 $20 million would be needed ? 



Dr. XiERENBERG. For the first year, yes, sir. I am trying to add up 

 rapidly, mentally, the various requirements in southern California. 

 A fair amount of construction has already been done in the coastal 

 zone. In other areas there could not be as intense a problem. 



Overall, I think it would be about $20 million. 



Senator Tunney. Can you give some indication to the committee as 

 to what vou would expect Avould happen if the $12 million is approved 

 instead of the $20 million ? 



Dr. Nierexberg. Accomplishment vsould be at a slower pace. 'Sly 

 assistant director, Jeffrey Frautschy, is on the San Diego Regional 

 Commission, and also on the Statewide California Coastal Zone Coji- 

 servation Commission, and T am in daily contact with the problems 

 that these distinguished citizens face who sci've on these committees. 

 It is very difficult. They contribute their time — and a great deal of 

 time — ^but they need a tremendous amount of staff help, a tremendous 

 amount of research to settle the problems immediatelv at hand, iiot 

 countin<T nlono the plnmiin"- thnt each State will require and the ex- 

 pertise that will have to go folded in. 



