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being placed on a standard, which I support, in terms of not more 

 than 10 parts per million. 



In the meanwhile, the rest of the comitry is supporting seven times 

 as much daily as we will be sending from Alaska to the south -18, and 

 I find it very interesting that no one has ever concerned themselves 

 at all about w^hat happened to the oil in the ballast water when they 

 went back to load up again to bring another load to this country. 



It has a lot to do with the ecx^nomics of oil, if we require Alaska 

 to obtain the ultimate in the state of the art, but our Arab friends 

 and others don't have to have any cleaning capability on our ballast, 

 it is certainly going to affect the price of oil as far as Alaska is con- 

 cerned. 



Mr. Train. Well, we are proposing segregated ballast in new con- 

 struction wliich would completely separate ballast water and cargo 

 oil. 



Senator Stevexs. I understand that. As a practical matter, you are 

 still going to have the problem of what happens to that oil that is in 

 there. You have to clean those tanks sometime. I don't know that you 

 are going to have in terms of the ultimate standards on the larger 

 tankers tlie same problem, but the problem is with the existing tanker 

 capacity that is in the world today. 



Are we going to modify it? You are not saying all these countries 

 are going to agree to turn all their tankers into Manhattan's. That 

 would cost $30 million to convert. 



Mr. Traix. There has been talk of retrofit provisions from time to 

 time, but as you point out, it is costly. 



Senator Stevens. I am not worried about our tankers coming down 

 from Alaska. They are going to be modern American tanks, but I 

 think those who are exercised about the risk of the Alaska tanker route 

 ought to get concerned about the hundreds of tankers coming into 

 Portland, Maine, or San Francisco, or San Pedro, or going into New 

 Orleans. Those tankers are going back full of our water, and they are 

 discharging that oil in someone else's backyard today, and if we 

 could get them a little exercised about it, I think they would be a little 



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more interested aliout what we have done to protect Alaska. 



Mr. Train. I think that is a very good point. 



Senator Ste\t:ns. Thank you. 



Senator Rollings. Thank you very much. We appreciate your ap- 

 pearance, and we hope to later get your help on the coastal zone pro- 

 gram. 



Mr. Train. I knew the day wouldn't be complete without a refer- 

 ence to coastal zone. I will be happy to discuss that with you and with 

 the committee. 



I hope with respect to the IMC'O matter that we will have further 

 opportunity as tho fall proceeds, prior to the October meeting, to con- 

 sult with you and keep in touch with you. 



Senator Stevens. Are you coordinating with the Law of the Sea 

 Conference people with regard to what you are doing? 



Mr. Train. Yes. 



Senator Hollings. I asked the same thing. Senator Stevens and 

 I will be in attendance at that conference, this summer. 



Mr. Train. We worked closely with them. Our counsel is a niember 

 of the Interagency Task Force, and a member of our council, Mr. 

 Busterud, will be at Geneva. It is a 2-month session. 



