344 TESTIMONY 



Victoria vessels are rougher and not as well made, and I consider them 

 much inferior to those made in San Francisco. One small boat belongs 

 regularly to the sealing schooners. The hunting boats are a part of her 



outfit, and cost from ninety to a hundred dollars in San 

 boats* ° f Lunting Francisco. The same with sails cost about a hundred 



and ten dollars when new, but they depreciate quite 

 rapidly by use. I would not consider a Victoria made hunting boat 

 worth over seventy-five dollars when new. They are not as staunch 

 and well constructed as those made by San Francisco builders. What 

 is known as nonconsumable supplies depreciate very rapidly by use. 



A. P. LORENTZEN. 



Subscribed and sworn to before me this 18th day of October, A. D. 

 1892. 

 [seal,.] Clement Bennett, 



Notary Public. 



Deposition of Charles Lutjens, scaler (master). 



State of California, 



City and County of San Francisco, ss.: 

 Charles Lutjens, being duly sworn, deposes and says: 

 I am 50 years of age, a naturalized citizen, and reside in San Fran- 

 cisco, California. I am owner and master of the seal- 

 ocenpat on. .^ scbooner j£ a f e an( i Anna. I have been engaged in 



the sealing business since 1886. My vessel is a small schooner of about 

 30 tons and carries three sealing boats and a crew of 12 men. I allow 

 for subsistence for an 8 or 9 months' cruise a hundred 

 ^outfitting of seal- dollars p er man or twelve hundred dollars for the en- 

 tire cruise. This includes the wages of the cook. The 

 rest of the crew go on a " lay." The cost of the rest of the outfit is 

 about eight hundred dollars. These prices are very liberal and are for 

 the very best outfit that can be obtained, for it has been my experience 

 that the best outfit produce the best results. It is the practice of sealers 

 to fit out in January and leave about the first of February and return 

 to port in September. Many vessels fit out less expensively than I do. 

 This is particularly so with British Columbia vessels engaged in the 

 business, which are seldom as ^ell fitted out as American vessels. The 

 cost of fitting out a vessel carrying Indian hunters would be very much 

 less, for the Indians furnish their own canoes and equipments and fur- 

 nish their own subsistence and go on a " lay." There is no material dif- 

 ference in the cost of outfitting a vessel now as com- 



When sexzed. pared with 18g6 and 18g7< j wag geized ^ 18 g 7 by tbe 



United States revenue cutter Rush for sealing in Ber- 



Other seizures. {ng g^ About the game time tue vessels W. P. Say- 



ivard, Grace, Anna Beck, Dolphin, and Ada were seized by the Govern- 

 ment. I had. been abroad of these vessels and was well acquainted 

 with their condition and outfit at time of seizure. I would value the 



vessels and outfits at time of seizure, exclusive of the 

 sellers^ 011 ° f ***** skins, to a person who wished to purchase, as follows, 



although if they had been sold at forced sale they 

 would probably have brought much less. 



