434 TESTIMONY 



tliat pelagic sealing sliould be stopi^ecl. Eiglit months 

 kiiLd.'^^'"^ females j^ ^ yg.^j. jg ^^^ mucli to luiut any animal, and tlie 

 seal will soon become exterminated if this pelagic seal- 



Proteetion. 



ing is allowed to continue. 



James Griefin. 



Subscribed and sworn to before me this 14th day of April, 1892. 



A. W. Lavender, 

 United States Treasury Agent. 



Deposition of Joseph Grymes, sealer {boat-iniller.) 



pelagic sealing. 



State oe California, 



City and County of San Francisco, ss. 

 Joseph Grymes, having been duly sworn, deposes and says : I reside 

 . in Victoria. My occupation is that of a seaman. I 



xpei.cnce. made a sealing voyage on the schooner Triumph in 1890, 



Tnumph, 1890. as a boatpuller. We sailed about January, from Vic- 



Berin Sea- timeof ^^^^^''^i British Columbia, and sailed along the coast 

 enierinf andieavhig. uutil tlic latter part of Juiic and wciit ill to the IBering Sea, 

 and sealed as near to St. George Island as we could, 

 Catch in sea. ^^^^ caught about 300 or 400 seals in the sea. Our in- 



tention was to make a raid, but were driven away by a revenue cutter. 

 We left the sea about the latter part of July. We used shotguns 

 and rifles, using the shotguns mostly. The catch was 

 nSfcowf'''^°*°^ mostly females. Those we got in the North Pacific 

 f If "^ere females in pup, and those taken in the Bering Sea 



Waste o 1 e. ^v^rere COWS giviug milk. The hunters would get on an 



average one out of every four they killed. 



Joseph Grymes. 



Subscribed and sworn to before me this 12th day of April, A. D. 1892. 

 [l. s.] Clement Bennett, 



Notary Puhlic. 



Depositions of Charles H. Ragman et ah, scalers. 

 pelagic sealing. 



State of California, 



City and County of San Francisco, ss: 

 Be it remembered, that pursuant to the request of W. H. Williams, 

 esq., United States Treasury agent, in the city and county of San Fran- 

 cisco, State of California, on February 1, 1892, before me, Clement 

 Bennett, a notary public in and for said city and county of San Fran- 

 cisco, duly appointed and commissioned to administer oaths, etc., per- 

 sonally aiipeared Charles H. Hagman, Alexander McLean, Gustave 

 Isaacson, Frank Johnson, LI. llarmsen, and Daniel McLean, witnesses 

 who appeared then and there to depose and testify in the matter of 

 the seal fisheries, who, being first by me duly sworn, were then and 



