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many do you actuiiUy gvt out of those you slioot? — A. E should s;iy wo 

 get about 80 per cent of tliose we slioot. 



Q. Is it not a fact, that mIicii you iirst started in the l)usiness, and 

 was inexperienced in huiitiiii;", that you, like all otlier hc^inuers, de- 

 stroyed a much larger proportion than you now do? — A. There is no 

 doubt about that. 



Q. Are the seals you slioot at mostly asleep on the water or awake?— 



A. Asleep. 



Q. Do you shoot at them while breeching? — A. We shoot at them 

 anyway we tind them. 



Q. liave you ever seen any seals born in the water, 

 and is it your opinion tliat it is impassible for them to p„i.,uic, birth im- 

 be born in the waer? — A. Seals can not be born in the I'lwsibio. 

 water. 



Q„ Do you know of any place where seals land ont- 

 outside of the seal islands? — A. No, sir; I know of no j^,'.|;;j|^ "'' ""'y «" 

 1)1 ace. 



Q. Has there been any decrease in the quantity of seals as com- 

 pared to previous years'? — A. There has been a de- 

 crease. 



Q. To what do you attribute the decrease? — A. To the hunting of 

 the seals in the Bering Sea. 



Q. Do the pups perish with the cows that you kill? — A. (Jertainly. 

 Not alone that, but they generally leave, while they go 

 into the Bering Sea, a imp on shore, which also dies, Dead pups. 

 from not being able to get any sustenance. The seal which is killed in 

 the Bering Sea may be with pup, and also has a pup on shore, which 

 make the killing of three seals to one. 



Q. Is it your opinion, if sealing continues unrestricted, that they 

 will soon be exterminated? — A. Yes, sir; they will get 

 less and loss, and will soon be exterminated if all seal- ProiecUou ner.va- 

 ing is not stopped in the Bering Sea and on the ^'''^^■ 

 islands. 



Q. In your opinion, is it absolutely necessary to protect the cows in 

 the Bering Sea, to prevent the herd from being exterminated? — A. It 

 is absolutely necessary. 



Q. What months in the year do you think they should be pro- 

 tected? — A. The months when they are in the Bering 

 Sea, from July 5th to November 1st. *^''"'° '""''"'• 



Q. Do you generally shoot seals with a rifle or a shotgun? — A. A 

 shotgun principally. ^^ 



Q. What kind of shot do you use, buckshot or fine 

 shot?— A. Buckshot. 



Q. Judging by the direction that seals were traveling in the spring 

 of tiu5 year, during your experience, where do you ^- .. ,- 

 suppose was their destination? — A. The Bering Sea. ^ '*^'"' """' 



Chahles Lutjens. 



State of California, 



City and County of San Francisco, ss : 

 I, Clement Bennett, a notary public in and for said city and county 

 of San Francisco, do hereby certify that the witness in the foregoing 

 deposition named, was by me duly sworn to testify the truth, the 

 whole truth, and nothing but the truth; and that said depositi<m was 

 reduced to writing, and when completed was carefully read over to Siiid 

 witness, aud by him subscribed in my presence. 



