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young fish to go through by thousands, and go through 
alive; through the (tribune) wheel, which is a wheel that 
receives its power from specific gravity, and the fish goes 
through as a part of the water without being hurt at all, 
unless they happen to strike and get a little stunned, but 
they come to life when they get below. This is my ex- 
perience. I bow to any facts the gentleman knows, of 
course, but I assure you there is no difficulty in a young 
fish going down any river in this country, 
Mr. Forp—I think the greatest works are those that 
have been recently accomplished jointly by the New York 
and Pennsylvania Fish Commissions in the fish dam at 
Lackawaxen over the Delaware River. They are the 
Rogers Fish-ways and by them we have been enabled to 
allow the shad to ascend the Delaware River. They are 
most efficacious. They have sent the shad up nearly a 
hundred miles, above the Lackawaxen dam, and that 
they come down again, I can say from personal observa- 
tion. Not only the large shad come down the fish-ways, 
but during the summer time, in August, September and 
October when the young shad comes down, the river 
almost glitters with the shad leaping from the water. 
There is no trouble about shad coming down the fish- 
way. They have had that much more spawning ground 
added, nearly a hundred miles more of water. They 
have gone up the fish-ways in such numbers, that in the 
next stage up above in New York State, in the report 
made by the New York Commission in 1891, this is 
spoken of as a solid mass of fish waiting under the dam 
to get up, and the report calls upon the New York Fish 
Commission to put fish-ways up there to let them go 
further. 
Dr. Hupson asks the height of the dam. 
Mr. Forp—I think about eight feet. The fish-ways 
work to a charm.. We have lots of them in the dam 
across the Susquehanna River, a very long dam, and shad 
have been going in considerable numbers forty to fifty 
