COUNTER-CASE OF GREAT BRITAIN. 165 



The followiug additional statements of the same kind, 

 including experience in 1892, are found in the affidavits Appendix, vol. 

 appended to this Counter-Case: ii,Pp.7-io. 



Captain C. Le Blanc. — Never more than 4 or 5 in 100. 

 Captain B. 0. Lavender. — Not more than 1 in 20. 

 TV, O'Leary — From 1 to 5 per cent. 

 Captain Laughlin M'Lean. — About half to 1 per cent. 

 J. Shields. — First years about 5 per cent. ; 1891-92 less than 1 per 

 cent. 



189 Captain T. Magnesen. — Between 4 and 5 per cent. 



Captain B. McKiel. — Of 1,700 seals taken 40 lost (2.3 per cent.)* 

 Captain J. TV. Todd. — Not more than 4 in 100. 

 J. J. Beckingham. — Not 1 in 100. 

 Captain H. B. Jones. — Not more than 3 in 100. 

 G. C. GeroH'.— Not 1 in 18. 

 Captain J. Gaudin. — Not 5 per cent. 

 Captain C. F. Dillon. — Not more than 5 per cent. 

 Captain G. Scott. — 5 per cent. 

 Captain G. Wester. — 3 per cent. 

 Captain C. Lutjens. — 5 per cent. 

 >C. Hartiwen. — Not 5 per cent. 



Captain J. S. Worth. — Between 10 and 15 per cent., including wounded 

 seals. 



Captain C. E. MocMcr. — 5 per cent. 



W. F. Upson. — 10 per cent. 



F. Crocker. — From 5 to 10 per cent. 



W. Conners. — 5 per cent. 



J. W. Crete. — 5 per cent. 



All the above statements of course refer to the killing of 

 seals by means of lire-arms, and almost exclusively to kill- 

 ing with shot guns. The rifle is now seldom used by white British Com- 

 hu I iters, and the spear never. The spear is still employed port,'''pa*'raB. "58^4, 

 by some of the Indian hunters, but the shot-gun is now604.' 

 more commonly used by them also, and by some tribes has53™^2' m^b^l' 

 been regularly employed for many years (by the Haidas 554! 557'; also ei- 

 since 1840). Most of "the statements noted below in con- porrp^esTcom- 

 nection with numbers lost by Indian hunters thus also refer i>are'pp. is'?, iss, 



, 1 1 -n 1 -^1, United States 



to seals killed with guns. case. 



GENERAL STATEMENTS RESPECTING THE PROPORTION OF 

 SEALS LOST BY INDIAN HUNTERS. 



In order to understand the bearing of these statements, 

 it must be noted that the Aht Indians of Vancouver Island 

 and the Makah Indians of Cape Flattery, are the only ones 

 systematically, and to a large extent, employed in pelagic 

 sealing proper. The statements of whites refer to Indian British c cm- 

 hunters of these tribes employed by them. The Sitka and "orfpaT^. wsi 

 Tshimsian hunters, to whom a high percentage of loss iss^i.^so. 

 attributed, in so far as they engage in seal hunting, do so 

 almost exclusively in their own canoes from the shore. 

 The statements referring to these Indians are quoted by iMd., para. 626. 

 the British Commissioners, but have no direct bearing on 

 the losses of pelagic sealers. 



The statements respecting seals lost by Indians maybe 

 summarized as follows: 



Mr. W. Fewings. — Loss by Indians not 6 in 1,000. rbj^v paras. 



Captain H. F. Sieward.—YeTj few lost (with spear). ^l^- '^^'^■ 



190 Captain W. O'Leary. — None, or very few (with spear). 

 Captain W. Petit, — Loss 1 per cent 



Mr. C. N. Cox. — Loss 1 per cent 



