634 APPENDIX TO COUNTER-CASE OP GREAT BRITAIN. 



11. Three different years I went into Beliring Sea through the 172nd 

 Pass, and each year saw outside of the Pass a great many seals. I 

 don't know whether they were going to the Pribyloff Islands or the 

 Commander Islands. 



12. I never looked to see whether male seals have teats, but have 

 heard they have. I worked five years as a butcher before I went seal- 

 ing, and know that steers and bulls have teats, and male sheep also. 



13. I have seen more seals during the past season on the British 

 Columbian and Alaskan coasts than I ever saw before except four sea- 

 sons ago on the "Viva" when to the southward of Cape Flattery. 



14. I would not swear that I have seen seals cohabiting in the water, 

 but I know hunters who have, and I myself have seen the males and 

 females together in the water, and have often killed both of them. 

 They would be caressing one another just as people kiss one another. 

 At such times it is very easy to get near them, and I generally get both 

 of them. I shoot at the female first because the male will not then go 

 away. I have taken the cow into the boat and the male would stay 

 with the boat, coming up repeatedly alongside. 



We do not shoot at old bulls often; the skins are worth very little, 

 and the owners tell us not to shoot them. When two ordinary seals are 

 together it is not easy to get both. 



15. I also declare that I have read over the statements written down 

 above, and that they are all true, and that I have received no consider- 

 ation for the evidence I have given, and that there has been nothing 

 omitted from the declaration that I wished i)ut in. 



And I make this solemn declaration conscientiously believing the 

 same to be true, and by virtue of "The Act respecting Extra- Judicial 

 Oaths." 



(Signed) Wm. Shields. 



Subscribed and declared by the said William Shields before me, a 

 Notary Public duly commissioned, and residing and practising in the 

 Province of British Columbia, at the city of Victoria, this 24th day of 

 October, 1892. 



[SEAX,.] . (Signed) Arthur L. Belyea, 



A Notary Puhlic in and for the Province of British ColumMa. 



Declaration hy Charles Albert Williams, 



Dominion of Canada, 



Province of British Columbia, City of Victoria, 



I, Charles Albert Williams, of the city of Victoria, in the Province 

 of British Columbia, do solemnly declare as follows: 



1. I have been sealing five years. I was hunter for a short time the 

 first year, and have been a hunter every year since. In 1888 i was on 

 the "Penelope." I got 38 seals. I did not sink any of them, but may 

 have wounded 2 or 3. In 1889 I was on the "Walter L. Eich," an 

 United States vessel. We did not go into Behring Sea. I got 248 

 seals in three months, and by sinking lost 10. In 1890 I was on the 

 "Penelope" again, securing 282 skins, and lost by sinking 7 seals. Last 

 year I was on the "Viva," and got 382 skins, and lost three on the coast 

 and ten on the Russian side, where I went later on. This year I was 

 on the "Agnes Macdonald." I got 150 skins (we started very late), 

 and by sinking lost five seals. A good hunter ought not to lose more 

 than I do, but I have often heard hunters say they had killed a seal 



