754 APPENDIX TO COUNTER-CASE OF GREAT BRITAIN. 



And I make this solemn declaration conscientiously believing the 

 same to be true, and by virtue of " The Act respecting Extra- Judicial 

 Oaths." 



(Signed) Charles Hayuk, his x mark. 



Witnesses : 

 (Signed) Wm. Owen. 

 A. D. Laing. 

 147 Declared before me at the village of Alberni, in the district of 



Nanaimo, on the north-west coast of Vancouver Island, in the 

 Province of British Columbia, this 5th day of JSTovember, A. d. 1892. 



(Signed) A. P. Sherwood, 



A Commissioner of Police for Canada. 



Declaration of Charles Hay ales. 



Dominion of Canada, Province of British Columbia, 



I, Charles Hayaks, of Barclay Sound, Vancouver Island, do solemnly 

 declare as follows : 



1. I am the policeman appointed by the Indian Agent at Ucluelet. 



2. I was appointed to stop gambling and the liquor traffic among the 

 Indians at Ucluelet, and have done all I could to do this. 



3. Some time in April last an American ship, of which I do not 

 remember the name, came to Ucluelet, and an Indian who was acting 

 as a pilot came ashore, and with him were two white mpu ; they asked 

 all of us to come on board the steam-boat, as there was there a white 

 man " Tyee " (Chief) who wanted to talk with us. I and several others 

 went on board the steam-boat. When we all got on board they wanted 

 to know who was the Chief; there are several Chiefs there, of whom I 

 am one, and I and three others were selected, and were taken to a 

 cabin where there were several white men. They asked us first about 

 fish. There were two men on the ship who spoke Chinook; they 

 acted as interpreters. They asked us then whether there were mink 

 and deer-elk and bear near there, and we told them there were plenty. 

 They wanted to know then if we knew where the seals had their young. 

 We told them, no. 



They wanted to know, then, how we took the seals; we said we 

 speared them. They then asked if we used guns. We said, "Yes; 

 we use guns now, we used to use spears." They wanted to know, then, 

 how many we got each winter. I told them not so many now as we 

 used to. They told me that muskets were not good to use. We told 

 them that when the seals were easy to get we used spears, but now 

 that they were wild, guns were necessary. The men said spears were 

 best, because we were sure of getting seals when they were speared, 

 but that with guns they would sink. They wanted to know how long 

 seal had been coming to this coast. We told them, a long time; and 

 that we used to get plenty, but that the seals were very wild now. 

 They then said they would be back in about six months. After we 

 were through they gave us 2 dollars each and some tobacco, and in 

 addition gave me enough of blue cloth to make a suit of clothes. They 

 told me that the white men were destroying the seals, for out of 4 

 they killed they lost 2. The whole time they kept telling us not to use 

 guns, so that we got the impression they were helping us. 



