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years old. About lialf the cows would have pups in tliem, and 

 350 tlie others would be young cows. Have sometimes seen them 



with two pups in them, and this summer I got one off Queen 

 Charlotte Island with two pups. 



7. I do not know how long our people have been hunting seals, but 

 my lather has always hunted, though he is so old now that he can only 

 steer. 



8. What has been here said by me has been written down and read 

 over to me and explained to me by Andrew Laing here in my own lan- 

 guage, and I understand it, and the same is true. 



9. I have not received anything, nor has anything been promised 

 me to induce me to make the foregoing statements. 



And I make this solemn declaration conscientiously believing the 

 same to be true, and by virtue of "The Act respectiug Extra- Judicial' 

 Oaths." 



(Signed) Shewish, his x mark. 



Witnesses : 

 (Signed) John T. Walburn. 

 A. D. Laing. 



Declared before me at the village of Alberni, in the district of 

 Nanaimo, in the Province of British Columbia, this 5th day of Novem- 

 ber, a. d. 1892. 



(Signed) A. P. Sherwood, 



A Commissioner of Police for Canada, 



Declaration of Clat-Ka-Koi, commonly called "Billy.^^ 



Dominion of Canada, Province of British Columbia, to icit: 



I, Clat-Ka-Koi (commonly called "Billy"), of the village of Sechart, 

 and one of the Chiefs of the tribe of that name, do solemnly declare: 



1. That about seven months ago one of my friends, Chileta, or "Jack," 

 came after me in the man-of-war's boat and took me on board, and when 

 I went there I saw a gentleman, named Mr. Woods, an old man, who 

 told me when I got through talking I would get something, and after 

 1 got through I got 5 dollars for myself and my son, who also talked 

 with him. The son I speak of is now with me, and his name is Kic- 

 kiana, or "Tommy." 



He asked us when the deer got their young, and I told him, and also 

 about bear, otter, mink, and other wild animals, then about fish, and 

 appeared to be writing down what we said. Then asked about the 

 hair-seal, if I knew Avhere they have their young? I said "Yes; along 

 the coast on the rocks." He then asked where the fur seal had their 

 young. I said "I don't know; never saw them have them on this 

 coast." He said: "Didn't your father tell you long time ago that they 

 had their young here?" I said "Ko," He (Mr. Woods) then said: 

 "Where do you think the skins come from?" I said "I didn't know." 

 He then asked: "Which do you think is best for hunting them, the 

 spear or gun?" I said " I think the spear is good, for the reason that 

 they don't get fewer, for when you shoot them the shot only makes 

 them sick. After we shoot them we have to use the spear to prevent 

 them from sinking," Mr. Woods then asked: " Is it good for the white 

 man to seal in your waters?" I said "JSTo; that is the reason the seals 

 are so scared, because the white man comes in and does so much shoot- 



