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were used to induce me to give ray evidence. A United States Treasury 

 Agent, Mr. Mackey — 1 am not sure liow his name is spelled — met me in 

 the street and asked me if I would go to the Driard and tell Major 

 Williams what I knew about sealing. As I had already given my evi- 

 dence to Mr. Milne, and wanted both sides to know the truth, I went 

 willingly. I heard that others had received money from Major Wil- 

 liams, and knew that many of the men were not sealers at all — cooks 

 and sailors on vessels, and " longslioremen." Ned Useless, one of these 

 men, told me that he had been given money to give his evidence. He 

 is not a man that could be trusted, and is drunk every chance he gets. 

 1 thought it very strange that such a man should be asked to give 

 evidence, when men that knew something about sealing were to be had. 



3. I think the seals ought to be protected, especially on the islands, 

 and if there was no killing at sea between the 1st January and 1st 

 July, there would not be the slightest danger of the seals becoming- 

 less in number. Last year there were, according to my knowledge, as 

 many seals on the coast as there were before, and in 1890, when I was 

 out the whole season, I saw as many seals as I had seen at any time 



during the previous eight years I had been out. 

 170 4. As far as I could see, last spring the American Agent wanted 



only one-sided evidence, and if I said anything that did not suit 

 him he would not take it down, but would argue with me, and try to 

 convince me that I was wrong. 



5. I declare that I have made the above statements voluntarily, and 

 that they are all true; that nothing I said has been omitted, and that 

 no consideration was given me or offered for making the same. 



And I make this solemn declaration conscientiously believing the 

 same to be true, and by virtue of ''The Act respectiug Bxtra-Judicial 

 Oaths." 



(Signed) A. D. Laing. 



Subscribed and declared by the said Andrew D. Laing before me, a 

 Notary Public duly commissioned, and residing and practising at the 

 city of Victoria, in the Province of British Columbia, this 25th day of 

 October, a. d. 1892. 



[SEAL.] (Signed) Arthur L. Belyea, 



A Notary Public in and for the Province of British Columbia. 



Ueclaration of John Morris. 



Dominion op Canada, 



Province of British Columbia, City of Victoria, 



I, John Morris, of the city of Victoria, in the Province of British 

 Columbia, do solemnly declare as follows : 



1. Some day last spring — the exact date I don't remember — a man 

 came to me and told me that if I would go up to the Driard Hotel and 

 give my evidence to a man there that was getting information about 

 sealing I would be given 2 dollars. There were several sailor-men look- 

 ing for people to give evidence, but no sealing men, as far as I know. 

 These men were also paid to entice men up to the room of Major Wil- 

 liams — for that, I believe, was the man's name who was taking the 

 evidence. He did not i)ay us the money himself, but it was paid in his 

 presence by another man. I was told to send any otliers I knew there, 

 and that they would be paid for their evidence. One man that gave 



