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12. Q. You have been down the coast to where you meet the seals in their migra- 
tion?—A. I have gone down as far as Shoal Water Bay, Columbia River, 
13. Q. How do you mect the seals—in large bands or batches?—A. Yes, in schools, 
from two to twenty in a school. 
14. Q. Do they seem to travel in pairs?—A. No, Sir. 
15. Q. Do you find in these schools, or bunches, they are all males or females?— 
A. They are mixed. I remember an instance—I think in 1886—when we got on the 
coast off Cape Flattery either 104 or 109, am not positive, and out of that there were 
over 100 bull seals, and the next day we got about 86, and out of that number over 
70 were bulls. That was in the year 1886. 
16. Q. Would your observation lead you to suppose that your catch would depend 
entirely upon the group of bulls or females as to which your catch would be composed 
of principally ?—A. As we get amongst them; yes. 
17. Q. But taking one year with another—from 1886 to the present time—have you 
seen any more females killed than of bulls?—A. No, Sir. I think we have got about 
three males in five, and when we get up about the Bank, about Middleton Island, I 
think they will average more males than females. 
18. Q. When you strike the seals on the coast about 40 or 50 miles from shore, do 
you find a large proportion of them sleeping?—A. They are generally sleeping. The 
Indians get none but sleeping seals. I have never been working with Whites. 
19. Q. The natives approach the seals very close?—A. Yes; and he comes to the 
leeward of them, and if there is any sea on they get into the trough of the sea and 
make no noise. If he went to windward the seal would scent him, and get away. 
20. Q. When he gets close enough he throws his spear, and seldom misses?—A. 
Yes; he don’t miss one in ten. 
21. Q. And when once his spear is fastened, the seal never gets away ?—A. No. 
22. Q. If an Indian loses more than what you say, he would not be a good hunter ?— 
A. No good at all. It would not pay to “ pack” him. 
23. @. Do the Indians ever shoot?—A. Sometimes. They never shoot if the seal 
is sleeping. 
184 24. Q. Does that percentage of loss apply to the sleeping seals only ?7—A. Yes. 
25. Q@. You mean by ‘‘loss”’—what?—A. By sinking. 
26. Q. If the seal is wounded so it gets away, you don’t consider it lost?—A. No. 
27. Q. If speared and wounded, and scurried off, you don’t consider it lost?—A. 
Oh, no; not lost. 
28. Q. The Indian hunter is very close to the quarry, and rarely misses his aim ?-— 
A. Well, he will get within 25 or 30 yards of it. 
29. Q. Have you noticed any marked ditference in the manner in which the females 
carrying young travel as compared with the males?—A. The only difference I could 
see is that they will travel very fast for a i.ttle distance, and then turn up and rest. 
30. Q. I mean, do they sink their bodies more?—A. No; they do not. 
31. Q. Do you think the female is more shy than the male, that is those ‘‘ with 
young” ?—A. No. I think they arenot anymore shy. The female is always inclined 
to be sleepy. The male is always on the watch, and will rise till his head and shoul- 
ders are out of the water. 
32. Q. One hunter has said that the female lies deep in the water, exposing only a 
portion of her head?—A. I have never noticed that. When lying asleep one-half 
of the head is under water. 
33. Q@. Then you will say that the percentage of loss of the Indian hunters is not 
more than how many in the hundred?—A. Not more than one in ten; not more than 
10 per cent. 
34. Q. You say you never hunted with white men until this year?—A. No. 
35. Q. If any person made a statement that there is a greater amount of loss than 
what you say, you would not regard it as correct?—-A. I would say it was not correct, 
with Indian hunters. 
36. Q. Your statement is based upon actual experience?—A. Yes. 
o7. Q. In going down the coast in the spring, in February, March, and April, 
have you noticed that females are more plentiful than in the following months ?— 
A. I do not think they are. 
38. Q. But as they come from the south, you think they are not?—A. Between 
January and June, and between the south and the Shumigan Islands, have you 
noticed any time or place where there were any more females killed than others ?— 
A. I think in May, I have noticed one thing: you will not find, take one in ninety, 
you will never find a female pup. Where the female young go to is something that 
the Commissioners ought to have found out before they came down from the sea. 
39. Q. It has been stated that the Indians say there is no such thing as a female 
grey pup?—A. I have never seen one yet, and cannot account for it, unless the 
females go one way and the males another. : 
40. @. Among all yearling grey pups, there has never been any one known to 
have found a female?—A. Yes, it isa fact. I have heard a great deal of talk of 
