FIREPROOF PASSENGER STEAMER. 195 



Mr. Engus: — In relation to the engine of the Grand Republic, Mr. Taylor 

 calls my attention to something which had slipped my mind. The engines which 

 were in the Grand Republic were originally built for the steamer Cosmopoli- 

 tan, which was constructed by my father, John Englis, and launched at Buffalo 

 on Lake Erie in 1853. The engines were taken out of the Cosmopohtan about 

 1862 and put into the steamship Morro Castle, and from the Morro Castle they 

 were put into the Grand Republic in 1878. 



Mr. Wm. H. Fletcher: — The New York, built in 1887, was a typical passenger 

 excursion boat. On an excursion boat built to-day there would hardly be any 

 appreciable change. She was an airy, open boat built for carrying a large number 

 of people on excursions up the Hudson River or down the bay. She developed 

 3,000 indicated horse-power on her trial trip and is therefore of a type in line with 

 the paper. 



Mr. DonnEli,y: — Will you put in the steam economy as to what it was? 



Mr. Wm. H. Fletcher : — There was no actual test made of the power economy, 

 but only of the entire power equipment, namely, coal, oil, labor and all that went 

 into the actual running of the boat. I do not mean by that to include the captain, 

 deck hands and others, but simply the cost of propelling the boat only, and, as I 

 remember, the New York showed an appreciable economy. 



Mr. Donnelly : — I certainly wish to thank the members who have discussed 

 this paper so frankly and openly, and I shall try to answer such remarks as I can. 

 I hope, if there is any point I do not refer to, that you will ask me to do so. 



Mr. Fletcher, as we all know, has been the guardian, if not the originator, 

 of the class of boats referred to, and I think perhaps his works was one of the first 

 to put out this class of boats. I wish to make a general statement to apply to the 

 remarks that have covered a much broader field than the subject under discussion. 



The class of boats referred to does not include all the boats on the North River 

 and Hudson River, it is not the Sound boats, it is not the boats using feathering 

 paddles, it is not the boats using a compound beam engine, it is not the boats with 

 engines making forty turns per minute, nor the boats with 140 pounds pressure 

 that we are considering. The discussion is limited to the summer excursion fleet, 

 and the principal representative of this fleet, the best of them all, is the Grand 

 Republic. 



Keeping this in mind, I do not find that Mr. Andrew Fletcher made any state- 

 ment that would contradict the accuracy and applicability of the statements made 

 in the paper. He questions the economy of the engines. I am very well aware 

 that very much better economy can be gotten with the feathering paddle and with 

 a large number of revolutions, but we do not have them in the excursion fleet. I 

 am directing this paper particularly to that class of boats and I think that it so 

 specifically stated in the paper. 



