FUR-SEAL FISHERIES OF ALASKA. 191 



Mr. Macdonald. I understood that you have to oat at the same table 

 with the employes of the company '? 



The Witness. Yes, sir, and subject to their insults, which no decent 

 woman should hear. 



Mr. Felton. Was anything compulsory in your eating with themf 



The Witness. I attempted to get a cook-stove so that we could cook 

 our own food, and they refused to sell that. I did not want to subject 

 my wife to those insults, and so I wanted a stove so we could cook for 

 ourselves. 



By Mr. Macdonald : 



Q. Wbat was the result of your observations and opinion that you 

 deem reliable in respect to the unlawful killing of seal annually? — A. 

 We have no means of knowing that. 



Q. It is a mere matter of estimate, of course, but I wish it based upon 

 as reliable information as you have. — A. I think the first season the 

 revenue-cutters captured 15,000 stolen seal skins. At Uoualaska there 

 was killing of seal by the natives, and I so reported it to Washington. 



Q, Who killed them? — A. Natives. These skins were sold to the 

 Alaska Commercial Company, who have a station there. 



By the Chairman : 



Q. Bo you know whether laese seals are killed in the Bering Sea or 

 in the Pacific? — A. I understand the Bering Sea.' 



Q. Where the law prohibits the killing in Bering Sea? — A. It is a 

 question whether they are killed in passing on the side of the Bering 

 Sea or passing on the side of the Pacific Ocean. 



Q. Is it,in your opinion, necessary that Government protection should 

 be extended over the herd in the Pacific as well as the Bering Sea to 

 preserve them ? — A. Beyond question, as by that time these pirates all 

 lie right at the pass in the Pacific Ocean and kill the seal as they come 

 through. 



Q. They go through this pass as they approach the Pribilov Isl- 

 ands? — A. Yes, sir. 



Q. They travel on the surface of the water, so they can be taken an- 

 annually as they return to the islands ? — A. Yes, sir. If the school- 

 teacher is furnished by the Government; if the doctor is furnished by 

 the Government, and the Government officer has facilities to do his own 

 cooking and travels in the Government shijjs, and the Government offi- 

 cer i3 clothed by law with the power to enforce everything on the isl- 

 and, as it should be, there will be none of these complaints. These men 

 do not respect the positions of the Government officer, and since the 

 Department insists upon a man taking his wife there they do not respect 

 the man's wife, which is distasteful and disagreeable. These things, 

 gentlemen, that I speak of are what I have seen ; if you gentlemen go 

 there, this is no guaranty of what you will see, but this is what I have 

 seen myself. Mr. Webster told me, '-Mr. Gavitt, when a Government 

 oflficer comes here and gets along with us, it is profitable, but a good 

 man never comes back here." It is worth a man's reputation to go in 

 that country. 



Mr. Felton. A good man never went back. What do you mean by 

 that? 



The Witness. I do not know. He said a man could draw two sal- 

 aries like ]Mr. Falkner and Judge Glidden. 



The Chairman. Two salaries from who 



The WiT]NfESS. One fpom the company, 



