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Q. Just give one instance in which that happened. — A. For instance, 

 the doctor had notitied a girl with consumption thatshe must come to him, 

 and this girl was not able. It was reported to him that slie was not 

 able to walk there. She afterwards died. 1 went to Mr. Webster, and 

 he said it was a damned lie. That settled it. He would not permit me 

 to come in direct contact with his men. If I made complaints, Mr. 

 Webster would ignore them. 



Q. 1 want to ask you in relation to the difficulties in regard to Mr. 

 Kirk. What was the trouble betweeen you and Kirk? — A. Mr. Kirk 

 did not resjject Mrs. Gavitt's presence on the island. 



Q. Did you say Kirk was assistant agent? — A. I understand so. 



Q. Was he not a mule driver"? — A. Not the year I was there. 



Q. You are sure about that ? — A. Yes, sir. 



Q. Who did then ? — A. Mostly one Alex Lugnbill. 



Q. Give us some specific act on the par-t of Kirk. — A. In reference 

 to what? 



Q. In reference to any outrage upon you or violation of law and reg- 

 ulation. — A. He gave me plainly to understand that he would lick me. 



Q. Give us what he did. — A. That is what I am trying to do. He 

 gave me plainly to understand 



Q. State what he did ; state what he said. — A. That he would lick 

 me or any other Government officer. 



Q. What for? — A. That interfered with him. 



Q. He told you that ? — A. Yes, sir. 



Q. Was there anything else between you and him at any time? — A. 

 No, sir; except he did not respect Mrs. Gavitt's presence. 



Q. Was there any other personal difficulty or any violation of law or 

 regulation, or any outrage on the part of JMr. Kirk? — A, Nothing at all, 



Q. Now w^e will take up Clark, the school teacher. Did you have 

 any trouble with Clark ?— A. With the exception of the way he did not 

 comply with my wishes in reference to the school. 



Q. He did not keep school as long as you thought he ought to ? — A. 

 He would go to the priests and have them apply for a holiday. 



Q. Did it become a personal difficulty between you and him "I — A. No. 



(i. You differed with regard to that subject ? — A. He did not respect 

 my position or recognize my authorit}'. He considered that I was 

 nothing. 



Q. Just tell me what he said about that. Did he say you had no 

 authority he would recognize? — A. He told me my case was powerless 

 because of the preponderance of evidence against me. 



Q. Who did he tell — A. A native. 



Q. How did you know that? — A. Because Demetreus said so. 



Q. 1 am asking you what he said to you? You had no personal diffi- 

 culty ? — A, None. 



Q. But there was a ditt'erence as to how the school should be kept 

 and how long it should be kept. That is all there was of it? — A. Yes, 

 sir. Let me think about Clark, iso. I do not think Clark conllicted with 

 me as an officer outside of that. 



Q. Now we will take up Dr. Lutz. Did you have any personal diffi- 

 culty with him? — A, Yes, sir. 



Q. What was that? — A. He threatened to strike me. 



Q. Did he do it? — A. No, sir; because my wife dragged me away. 



Q. What did he threaten to strike you for? — A. In reference to an 

 investigation in which 1 dismissed a native. 



Q. Now he did not threaten to strike you because there was an in- 



