264 THE REV. H. J. R. MARSTON, M.A., ON 
Mr. Oke.—It was not hereditary gold—that is all-important, 
and I think that is a point to be brought out: that gold that is 
contained in people is only discovered through giving a modicum of 
Education to all. That is the position to-day ; our State ensures 
that a certain amount of Education shall be given, as far as the Law 
is carried out, to all; and by not placing the standard too low, by 
not confining it simply to the three R’s, it is possible that you may 
bring out talents in those who have been living almost in the gutter 
and find them at the Universities years hence. I can name at 
Oxford and Cambridge men whose origin was so humble that perhaps 
through the fault of their education they despised their relatives. 
It was only recently that I was in the other end, in the slummy part 
of London, looking to see where one of our Senior Wranglers came 
from ; and when we think of such capabilities only needing the chance 
of development, what may not education do for us in the future 4 
I do not think we need limit ourselves to the three R’s. Give the 
people something for which they may strive (Hear, hear), and remember 
that in the New Testament we are told that all are to strive to do 
their best in their different spheres. If then by Scholarships, and if 
by helps in various ways anyone is able to rise in the so-called social 
scale, surely it is best for us. But education must be directed in such 
away that to the highest intellectual attainments there is added 
the element of religion. Only here the difficulty, as it seems 
to me, is to ensure that a right definition of the Church is given. 
If you speak of the partnership between the Church and the State 
one would like to take it in that widest sense of a Church that is 
almost above the Creeds, of a Church that is based on the Bible, and 
if you do that, you may be sure that your education, although it may 
be somewhat ambitious in the end, will be for the benefit of all those 
who form part of the community. 
Rev. J. TUCKWELL.—I should like at this stage, especially after 
the very excellent remarks we have just heard, to adda word or two 
if I may. I think we have had before us this evening two rather 
different subjects. We have had the ideal, and we have been 
discussing the practical. Now I suppose an ideal State would not 
be Plato’s Republic. It would be more after the nature of the State 
which has just been hinted at by the previous speaker, where every 
man had a fair chance ; where there would be nothing to repress 
individual attainment, where the gold would come to the surface, and 
