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CHRONICLE. 
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amendment, 6; ; against it, 50 majority, 44, The Bill was 
SS aap pro forma. 
—The House hada morning sitting, the chief busi- 
ness of which consisted in discussing the London Coal-whippers’ 
Bill.—At the afternoon sitting, Colonel RusuBprooKEr moved the 
issue of a new writ the borough of Sudbary.—Mr. BLacK- 
STONE moved, as an eiaennncen ts that leave be given to bring in 
a bill to make an effectual na into the bribery and corrupt 
practices alleged to exist in the borough of Sudbury, Consider- 
able discussion ensued, but Eg tad ie House divided, when 
the amendment was carried by 138 to 2: Leave was then given 
to bring in He bill to Pee further ‘aNeitaeys 
N MANNERS then brought on a motion, “That it is 
inexpedient inthe present condition of the country to continue 
ions on the exercise of private charity and 
munificence.” His motion was directed to the oe and 
expediency of repealing the laws of Mortmain, the in and 
history of which he briefly sketched. Restrictions in Ml rtmain 
originated, not in an olitico-economical notion, but in jea- 
lousy of the exorbitant and accumulating bhatt of the monas- 
tic establishments. He was not prepared to say that these 
restrictions were useless; on the contrary, ne thought if the 
monastic el egebitdte had been placed under more stringent 
regulations we ight have escaped fe! subversion of the 
Reformation. But whit might be expedient in the fifteenth 
century was absurd and pernicious now, when so great a change 
had passed over society, and we had six millions of our popula- 
tion beyond the pale of the Church, and out of the reach of 
that narrowed and stinted charity still existing amongst our 
habits of intense competition and thirst sts wealth. In asking 
for the repeal of the Mortmain laws, he no exclusive bene- 
fit for the Church of England; he was veyed to extend it not 
only to Dissenters, but to the Roman Catholic Church, the pro- 
fessors of which we had now placed on a political equality with 
ourselves ; while the state of Ircland, with its numerous and 
impoverished peasantry, furnished an additional argument for 
We could not leave land to endow a college or a cathedral, 
but we could do so for a museum or a menagerie of wild beasts. 
The law was full of inconsistencies, and he asked them to sweep 
them away. more churches and more schools; nay 
more, we required the establishment of religious houses, and 
monastic institutions. In proof of the disadvantages to which 
the restrictions exposed the country, he mentioned the case of 
an old lady, who has bequeathed 25,0002. for the erection of 
churches inthe north of England, and ‘the lawyers are of opi- 
nion that the bequest will be void, unless she live over the 
coring winter. He hoped they would sweep away those cob- 
webs a oh ae of legislation which crippled the efforts of 
modern 
Sir J. Granan could not consent, at so late a period of the 
session, and in so thin a House, to disturb one of the great 
arrangements of the law of real property, Nor could he agree 
in the expediency of establishing, in these times, religious houses 
monastic institutions. In such a matter, too, it would have 
been more fitting that the noble Lord should have proposed a 
bill a amere abstractresolution. Therefore, with all respect 
motives and sae of the mover, must resist this 
proposi eonie-Br C, Bun supported tie motion, 
Treason stb fear that too profuse a piety would in these gulf 
any great amount of land. It was much better for geiipion to 
endow a church by aivate Led ieee Ae Bea that church 
r uld not join in the 
views of the mover, least of a revive monastic 
institutions, Though there were restrictions as to land, person- 
alty was “Us Aglare see this kind of property had grown in 
ndreamt of by the makers of the Mort- 
main Acts.—Mr. See Reconnnesaed it to Lord J. Manners 
not to press his motion to a division.—Mr. Borrnwick was 
favourable to the motion, and Lord ERRINGTON suggested that 
the testatrix whom Lord J. Manners had mentioned might effect 
her object by giving the money to a church-building society.— 
Mr. Brotnerton wished to remove restrictions on gifts to cha- 
rity.—Lord eplied, consenting to waive a division, 
and the motion aa aNetepon withdrawn. 
Mr. Warp then brought on his motion for an address to the 
Queen, aflirming the Church of Ireland to be among the most 
prominent grievances of her people, and pledging the House to 
co-operate with her Majesty in a new settlement of the property 
ofthat church. He said he could not wonder that when two 
Governments had sunk ee ge attempt to arrange this question, 
willing to grapple with it; but it 
was one which must be ceeneene He had said, some weeks ago, 
that the whole substance of the ToanaenEt policy as to Ireland 
‘was summed up in the Arms Bill; $$ now convinced, 
that unless his address were aerial spaxiimnent would separate 
without having taken any one step toward the relief of Ireland. 
man who should vote for his address could not stop at amere 
temporality or appr —_ measure, Appropriation might have 
sufficed ten years ago; but it would not do now. It was the old 
story of the Sybilline books—you would give more, get less, 
perhaps endanger all. is own principle was simply ‘this—that 
all which had been done in Ireland for 300 years on the subject 
Hr ches had been done wrongly. Every Catholic member, if 
uld speak in debate as he spoke in private, would say that 
tele epwience of the Protestant Church in real was the con- 
sequence, the type, and the badge of his degradation. In all 
other countries the established religion is that of the majority. 
but in Jreland this rule was reversed, bacause there the majority 
was a conquered race. The work of ae reformation, in its com- 
mencement, had been handed over to the very scum and refuse 
of the English clergy. He quoted Spears testimony against 
those clergymen, and in favour of the Roman Catholics of that 
time; and he read an extract from King James’s grant of Cole- 
i of London, containing a condition that the 
grantees should extirpate the Roman Catholics. Lord Eliot had 
said that the evils of Ireland were referable to the state of society ; 
but the state of society was traceable to the Statute-book. The 
settlement of every great question in Ireland had been impeded 
by the fears of the Protestants for their church. What, then, had 
that church done for Ireland? Was it the author of that great 
modern revolution which abt reclaimed a whole people to tem- 
perance? No: that was the work of a humble Roman Catholic 
priest. The clear revenue of the Protestant Church was about 
552,753/., being at the rate of about 14s. a head for each commu- 
nicant of the establishment; while the Regiwm donum to the 
Ress te eee pre vision only at the rate of about 1s. a head; 
and for the Roman Catholics there was not a farthing. Mr. 
eat back to the times of Primate Boulter, to show 
that the church in those days was used, not as a means of religion, 
but as an engine of State. The same thing was equally true 30 
years afterwards. Then what was the pure apostolica al period of 
the Irish Church? Was it the time of the union? He cited 
instances to show that at that time oe the church was con- 
e admitted that at the 
Secor ‘some the unions, Reuritainiip. 8 eter of parishes 
thrown eS rerner, a it shoul Seem, for the purpose of making a 
rich provision for some favoured incumbent. The existence of 
such a church was regarded by the pia not pry. as an panne 
but as aninsuit. Being men, they must be governed, and 
could not be governed thus. You coule oe thus govern 8,000, 000 
of people, living in the midst of oe and knit toget ther by ae 
ond of acommon injustice, On e Continent, in Ai cans 
in Prussia, the true principle was well understood; this. eguaty. 
ae was ignorant of it. He would propose altogether to break 
a 
the link between you andthe people. Some thought that the 
best course would be to transfer the whole establishment to Meo 
Roman Catholics. That agen have been done at the Union 
nay, as late as 1825, ests were willing to ie remune- 
ration from the State ; BE. “thts PA Ta had c 
thought a provision should be le for the Catholic etter from 
the aE ae fund; but the ection to that was simply that 
it would possible ; the English and Scotch people would 
never con: ‘As to the funds of the Church, he would 
place tein subject to Pon avione tres in the hands of com- 
missioners, and distribute them a Members of the Esta- 
blishment, the Presbyterians and the aan Catholics, accordin 
to the numbers of each denomination, Now as to the objections 
which might made to his plan. Tt would be said, we must 
look to the truth of the religion we establish; but he contended 
that no party or ee ale had a right to pronounce upon such a 
aueeion If this were justifiable a nee it was justifiable 
here, anit! Lord in India Qua to parade the 
39 articles Bay of the gates of BoinAautnn the Catholic 
religion was s: Oo be Gopal Jase Why, it was s the only form 
in Sich Christianity had flour’ S 
the elder type of our own Peet ion. The spirit in which the 
House should proceed would have a great effect upon the ques- 
tion of union, and he would fain see the two Gale made one 
in a perfect equality, civil and religious.—Mr, Carnw seconded 
ion. The do-nothing system could not hee Wranitatyet 
much longer in Ireland, nor could the Protestant Church. He 
had no personal hostility to that Church, but he disapproved the 
system on which it was planted there. Lord Exror said that 
certainly this was no vague proposal; it was definite enough! 
Bat the question now was not what would have been, @ priori, 
the fittest church establishment for Ireland: the existing esta- 
® 
without that Union, so coat Catholic emancipation would 
never have been peaceably carr dhad admitted that 
no man who voted for this na could stop there; and it was 
therefore for gentlemen to consider whether they were prepared 
to vote for the total destruction of the Protestant Church, The 
question of a Protestant Establishment was also the question ofa 
Protestant Sovereign ; certainly until the throne should be 
opened to the Catholics, they had not the complete equality 
demanded on their behalf. In answer to the imputation on the 
Irish Church, that s] ad used her influence in pas' st times for 
pole PO atpoeedy tesrcult remind Mr. Ward that in those times 
ie thing was true of every Se in Europe. The total 
havens of the Irish Church, which had putat upwards 
of 552,000/., was in fact 432, 1230. and ae ane when distributed 
among 1,396 beneficed clergymen a and 744 curates, mene an 
average income of little more Cae ae toeach. Mr. Ward had 
made many quotations from mn, Mr. Plunket, and other 
high authorities ; but had omitted Fal ite their opinions in om 
on is e inviolability of the Protestant Establishment. Gentlemen 
f the Roman Catholics as if they were the whole people 
ie peat cip ashore the entire body of the Protestant proprietors 
as no part of that people. Mr. Ward had said that the English 
and Scotch nations would never consent to tax themselves for 
the maintenance of the Roman Catholic clergy. Did he suppose 
those two nations would ever consent to the abolition of the 
Protestant Church? The language now employed was strangely 
at variance ae the assurances given when the emancipation 
was carried, ’Connel) TOM, held opinions on the subject 
different oe sta he and ot ers expressed when eman- 
cipation was granted; and sHeneue a distin 
the iuatelice of the Duke of Wellington and Sir R, Peel would 
ficed to carry that measure.—' e conclusion of Lord 
Elict’s speech the debate was adjourned, 
Pele —The adjourned debate on Ireland was resumed by 
r, TRELAWNEY, who advised the House to take into its deliberate 
eonniderstiont that hey must either abolish the Established 
Church in Ireland, or submit to the alternative of civil war.— 
R. INeris maintained the title of the Church to its endowments. 
The mover, whatever else might be imputed to him, could not be 
ccused of having deceived the House; he had taken away from 
Lord J. Russell and his partisans all excuse for voting in favour 
e motion, He had broadly pea strip from the Charch 
in Ireland a! d except 70,0v0/.—that is, to 
take away 7-8ths, or 17s. 6d. in the pound; and yet had gravely 
added, that this was no unworthy compromise ! e had left the 
Church with scarce a rag to cover her Naveliaect and then, 
putting a halter round her neck, had handed the ee end of the 
rope to her bitterest Ceead ‘The manner of t on. Member 
had, indeed, been courteous; but the bowstring aie not the less 
fatal because it might be tas silk. He admitted that in some 
respects the Church of Ireland had failed of her duty ; in par- 
ticular, the Scriptures ought to have been translated in the lan- 
guage of the people. But he denied the validity of the arguments 
deduced from former abuses of that Church, and cla ed the im- 
provements of its ministry in recent times. d, however, 
inded his ee pest upon numbers, and ares prepared 
@ egtabliall the creed of Bramah or of Fo, i e the creed of 
the majority. from that principle he adiecented for he was per- 
suadca that it was just as much our public as our private duty to 
ach and advance what we believed to be the true religion, The 
teaestiods moreover, was not what religion we should establish ; 
the motion went not to extablish a Felhatony but to destroy one 
already established ; and that, too, by more than any ordinary 
us 
“of supply, a! 
r G. Currk moved that the sum of q 281,21 10. 
be granted as compensation to the owners of the opium des- 
troyed in Canton, in March, 1839, being the amount due to them 
under the treaty of peace with China.— Mr. Mangles, Mr. 
Lindsay, Sir T. Wilde, Mr. Abel Smith, Lord Palmerston, Mr. 
me, and others chjected to the sum as insufficient and 
demanding further inquiry. The Chancellor of the Exchequer, 
the Attorney-General, Sir Robert Peel, and Sir R. Inglis sup 
ported the MULE G when the House divided affirming the 
motion by 74 to 47 
Cains 
Money Market, Friday.—Consols for account closed 
at 938 to 2; Three per Cent. Ratha 948 to 4; Three- 
and- half per Cents., 10234 to; New ‘Three: and-half per 
Cents. 1014 to } 5 Bank Stock, 1804; Exchequer Bills 
55s. to 57s., and 53s. to 55s, prem. 
Metropolis and tis Wicinitn. 
Visit of the Queen to the New Houses of Parliament. 
—On Saturday afternoon the Queen and Prince Albert 
paid a visit to the new houses of Parliament, which are 
now in a state of rapid progression. The royal party 
were joined at the gates of the works by the Prince and 
Princess Augusta of Saxe Coburg Gotha, and his Serene 
Highness Prince Leopold, who had but just left the exhi- 
bition of cartoons. Her Majesty was received in the 
Speaker’s court by Mr. Barry, the architect, and Mr. 
Grissel, the contractor, The Royal party were first 
conducted through the Speaker’s court to the river terrace, 
and thence to the sculpture and model rooms, where there 
were many objects that occupied her Majesty’s attention. 
A model of the new House of Lords was shown to her 
Majesty, with which she was so much pleased that dupli- 
cates of the ornamental parts were directed to be taken in 
plaster and forwarded to the palace. ‘The Queen also 
inspected the various descriptions of stone of which the 
new houses are built. The royal party proceeded from 
the sculpture and model rooms to the south and north 
wings, where the statues of the Saxon Kings and Queens, 
in niches, occupied their attention for a considerable 
time. From the south wing the Queen and suite were 
conducted to the Victoria Tower, and thence through the 
cloisters and crypt of St. Stephen’s to the present House 
of Commons, and the plain appearance of the interior 
caused her Majesty to remark that it was wholly unbe- 
coming the high purposes to which it was appropriated. 
The House of Lords was next visited; and then Dr. 
Reid’s Experimental Room, Dr. Reid wasin attendance, 
and minutely explained to the Queen the process pro- 
posed to be‘adopted in the ventilation and warming of 
the new Houses of Parliament. Her Majesty, previous to 
leaving the works, expressed her approbation of the 
present appearance of the new buildings. This was the 
Queen’s first visit to the house, and it occupied about an 
hour and a half.—In reference to her Majesty’s visit to 
the Tunnel last week, it is stated that the Royal barge on 
its return was in some danger of being swamped by the 
« Syren,’? a Woolwich steamer. The boat was very near 
the barge, when a naval officer, who was outside the house, 
between her Majesty and the watermen, stood up on the 
cushions, waved his hand, and, unmindful of the presence 
of Royalty, sung out, at the top of his voice, ‘* Halloo, 
halloo, where are you coming to?” ‘The rudder of the 
barge was put hard over, and fortunately, the collision 
was avoided, but some of the royal party were greatly 
alarmed. Prince Albert looked serious, the Princess 
Clementine appeared frightened, but the Queen laughed, 
and did not exhibit the least symptoms of fear, 
Death of the Duke of Dorset.—We have to announce 
the death of this nobleman on Saturday last, at his resi- 
dence in Harley-street, in his 76th year. His Grace had 
een for some months in feeble health, and his death was, 
therefore, not unexpected. He succeeded to the family 
honours in 1815, on the death of his cousin, Charles Duke 
of Dorset, was was killed by a fall from his horse in 
Dublin, whilst on a visit at the vice-regal court, durin 
law, by a compact of two independent Legislatures. The multi- 
tudes, therefore, who were collected to destroy that 
were not entitled to plead that they were seeking only the repeal 
of astatute. When omens ation was conceded, it was upon ue 
assurances, Lies by the leading Sauce Ata ee, tha’ 
would not be employed to weaken, but w rather avail 5 
ortify, the Protestant Church. He would preihtan that Church, 
because he believed its doctrine to be the truth, because it was a 
doctrine established by the treaty of two kingdoms, because he 
valued it for its works of charity, and because he regarded it as 
the epee bond of connexion patvredy England and Tvelaitds —The 
Lisrowse, and Mr. V. Sruarr spoke in favour of the 
Hovom and Lord Bernarp and Mr. B. Cocurane opposed it.— 
Ir. HArpy was proceeding to speak against it, when it was 
moved that the House be counted : 38 members only having been 
found present, the motion fell to the ground, and the House 
adjourned at eight o’cloc! 
Thursday.—Mr. WARD daverted to the “counting out” of the 
House on the previous evening. He laid the chief blame on the 
Opposition, for not supporting him; the Goverument had treated 
him fairly, and therefore he could not expect to renew his motion 
during te present, session.—Mr. Escorr, who had made the 
motion for counting out’? the House, explained why he did 50; 
which was, because he considered that no interest was taken in 
the question by the Opposition, or the oiee generally — “Alter 
some conversation on this point, Mr. Suaw corrected the asser- 
tion of Mr. is that the Liturgy had never been prnuted in 
Trish. rst boo! eevee printed in Dublin was a Prayer- 
book “postponed the committee ait the 
Senren CHUrct Bil tol Toners order to give an opportunity to 
the Scotch Church to express their opinion of the bil me third 
reading of the Irish Arms Bill was fixed for Monday,—The House 
went into committee on the Limitations of Actions elena 
Bill, and counsel nevine been heard at the bar, the clauses were 
all agreed to.—The House went into eraTRGtees on the Poor 
Relief (ireland) Til and agreed to the first 15 clauses, after 
s reported.—The Mandamus Appeals Bill and 
ef (Ireland) Bill passed through committee.— 
The Cuancettor of the Excnxquer obtained leave to bring in 
a Bill to Declare and Amend the Law for Auditing and Enrolling 
the Accounts of the Land Revenue of the Crown. 
T. DuncomBe’s motion for a select committee to 
inquire into the facts connected with a recent meeting at Hull 
was negatived by 83 to 29. The House then went into committee 
the lord of his father-in-law, Earl Whitworth: 
The late duke wae Viscount Sackville previous to his 
accession to the dukedom, and as he dies without issue, the 
Dukedom of Dorset, Earldom of Middlesex, Barony of 
Buckhurst, &c., become extinct. His Grace was a per- 
sonal favourite of King George IV. and King William IV., 
to both of which monarchs he was Master of the Horse. 
By his Grace’s death, a vacant ribbon of the Garter is at 
the disposal of Ministers. 
Excise Seizures.—\t having come to the knowledge of 
the Commissioners of Excise, that large quantities of 
grain, pas to be high-dried malt, but which was, 
in fact, but ‘scorched barley,’? having never been sub- 
ene to the malting process, were to be found upon the 
market, an investigation was instituted, when the officers 
discovered that several large maltsters and corn-dealers had 
in their possession extensive stocks of this description of 
grain, which was accordingly seized, and deposited in Her 
Majesty’s warehouses, and now amounts in quantity to 
between 400 and 500 quarters. A considerable portion 
of it was brought from the neighbourhood of Croydon, 
where this illegal article had been disposed of for some 
time. The effect of the sale of this article was to pro- 
duce beer from it having the high colour and appearance 
of real stout, without its strength, and to Betiate. the 
Crown of a large revenue from legally malted grain. 
Custom-house Frauds.—\t will be in the Tecollection 
of our readers that two landing-waiters, named Homer- 
sham and Blake, were deeply implicated in the late 
Custom-house frauds, and their names have been repeat- 
edly mentioned in the legal proceedings against Messrs. 
Candy and Deane and other parties. Homersham and 
Blake were dismissed about six months ago, and the 
former died shortly after his delinquencies had become 
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