228 CAEMINOW OF CAEMINOW. 



of his second wife Constance. Sir Harris Nicolas supx)lies the final 

 judgment of the King from a MS. which appears to be an 

 abstract of the original EoU made when it was in a perfect state 

 in the reign of Elizabeth. (Harl : MS. 293, p. 191). 



According to this MS. the judgment of Richard II was given 

 on May 27, 1390, in the great chamber of Parliament at West- 

 minster, in the presence of Royal Dukes Peers, and Officers, 

 "that th' armes shuld wholly e remayne to S''- Eychard Scroope 

 and his heyres, and Mr. Grrosvenor to have no pte thereof, 

 bycawse he was a stranger unto the same." Five hundred marks 

 were ordered to be paid by Grosvenor to Scrope for costs, but 

 this was generously given up by Scrope, upon a public acknow- 

 ledgement by Grosvenor " that his witnesses had liecl.'^ After 

 this scanty summary, we mu.st hasten to that part of the evidence 

 which concerns our present enquiry. 



John of Gaunt was the first witness who deposed in favour of 

 Scrope on the 16th June, 1386. He said, in the language of 

 Nicolas, translated from the Norman French of the Poll,— 



"We saye and testify, that at the last expedition in France of 

 ' ' our most dread lord and father, on whom God have mercy, a 

 " controversy arose concerning the said arms between Sir Richard 

 "le Scrope aforesaid and one called Carminow of Cornwall,! 

 " which Carminow challenged these arms of the said Sir Richard, 

 "the which dispute was referred to six knights, now, as I think, 

 " dead, who upon true evidence found the said Carminow to be 

 " descended of a lineage armed ' Azure, a bend Or,' since the 

 " time of King Arthur ; and they found that the said Sir Richard 

 " was descended of a right line of ancestry armed with the same 

 " arms, 'Azure, a bend Or,' since the time of King William the 

 " Conqueror : and so it was adjudged that both might hear the arms 

 " entire. % 



Four other witnesses. Sir Thomas Fychet,§ Nicholas Sabraham || 

 and John Rither,^ Esquires, and John Topclyfie,*'^' set. 60, one of 

 Grosvenor' s witnesses, also depose to the same effect with 



* See 3rd Eeport of Deputy Keeper of Records, p. 191. Bibliotheca Cornubi- 

 ensis, Nicolas, p. 395, 1874. 



f The words are " Carmynau de Cornwale" in tlie original Roll. 



% Sir H. Nicolas' Roll, Vol. II, p. 163-5. 



§ Ibidem, p. 206 || Ibidem, p. 324. ^ lb : p. 354. ** lb : p. 213, vol. I. 



