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Those adjustments weren't made. It was an arduous process. 

 People had worked through approximately 24 day-long meetings 

 over a period of a year and a half, and there simply wasn't any 

 more time on anybody's part to continue and hash out a consensus, 

 so what they did was they simply approved the Jetboat use num- 

 bers that were proposed at that time and accepted the two minority 

 reports from the two members that dissented. 



Just to get back to your question, yes, absolutely. I am more than 

 happy to work with Sandra and I am even more than happy to 

 work with Mr. Sherwin who appears to think that I have some sort 

 of a Charlie Manson type approach to making people think that 

 Jetboats bother them when they really don't, but that is another 

 point. I am happy to work with all of them. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. What in your definition is de facto wilderness? 



Mr. Bailey. De facto wilderness is wilderness that is in fact wil- 

 derness, but is not designated by an act of Congress and drawn 

 into a wilderness area. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. Would you consider areas that have been used 

 commercially and for private ranching and grazing and mining as 

 having the potential of wilderness when the 196 Wilderness Act 

 said these areas should have the characteristics of being 

 untrammeled by man? 



Mr. Bailey. It is pretty amazing. I think that probably Will Rog- 

 ers or somebody said that the Congress can do whatever it wants, 

 and the Wilderness Act says one thing, but we have seen subse- 

 quently many wilderness bills. The River of No Return Wilderness 

 has a number of housing developments inside the wilderness area, 

 and Boulder Creek Wilderness for example in Oregon has some- 

 thing like 22 clear-cuts within the wilderness area. 



Certainly, under the purest interpretation of the Wilderness Act, 

 those would not qualify for wilderness designation, but Congress 

 can certainly go ahead and say, well, we are going to make them 

 wilderness anyway. 



I think that under certain circumstances where public demand or 

 environmental protection warrants, there could and should be an 

 option to include areas where some noncompatible uses, 

 noncompatible with wilderness have occurred where we can do 

 some rehabilitation work and possibly include them in wilderness 

 areas. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. Would you let this committee know and state 

 for the record specifically the uses for the river for powerboaters 

 that you would comply with, that you would agree to specifically? 



Mr. Bailey. My organization has a position at this time that 

 powerboat use should be occurring on the majority of the river, par- 

 ticularly in the scenic section of the river. 



We believe and have an official position of our organization that 

 powerboat use should be limited approximately to 1978 levels in 

 the scenic section of the river, and our position is that the upper 

 31-mile section should be a permanent vestige of primitive America 

 to sustain in perpetuity. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. Are you still active in Earth First? 



Mr. Bailey. No, I am not. I haven't been active in Earth First 

 since it became an organization that instead of advocating wilder- 

 ness for the sake of wilderness became an organization that rec- 



