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ommended and advocated illegal practices. No, that has been since 

 about 1984. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. Mr. Bailey, I am very glad to hear you say 

 that for the record. 



Mr. Bailey. I am happy to say it for the record. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. Yoii did write for the Earth First publication 

 on June 21st, and I can understand a person publishing their views 

 and so I appreciate again what you have said for the record. 



But you have indicated that what you recommend is the designa- 

 tion of 790,000 acres of wilderness in both Oregon and Idaho and 

 the dismantlement of the Hells Canyon dam, immediate termi- 

 nation of livestock grazing within the wilderness area, and the re- 

 introduction of formerly native wildlife species including bison and 

 grizzly bears and wolves. You know where this Congressman sits 

 with that issue. 



Mr. Bailey. Yes, I do. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. And Federal purchase of all valid mining 

 claims, so is that your personal position or your position as a float- 

 er, an outfitter and guide, or as the executive director of the Hells 

 Canyon Preservation Council? 



Mr. Bailey. That position is not the position of the Hells Canyon 

 Preservation Council, and my personal feelings have evolved over 

 the many years that have transpired since that position came out. 



I feel personally and have absolutely no hesitation in saying that 

 Hells Canyon Dam should never have been built. I would like to 

 see the dam come down. I don't have any hesitation in saying that 

 I don't want that dam there, and I feel that the Idaho power com- 

 pany who has gotten their 30 years of subsidy out of that dam, it 

 is time to give the river back to itself, to bring the salmon back to 

 the Owyhee River, bring the salmon back to the Boise River and 

 the Malheur River and bring back the beautiful beaches, the ar- 

 chaeological sites that were flooded by that dam. 



I do advocate that, and I am not hesitating to say that I advocate 

 that. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. Mr. Bailey, there are a lot of people who fish 

 in the backwaters of those dams who really enjoy that recreational 

 experience, too. 



Have you taken those hundreds and hundreds and thousands of 

 people literally into consideration? 



Mr. Bailey. Well, actually, I am quite surprised whenever I go 

 to launch a float trip below Hells Canyon Dam, because you very 

 rarely see any people recreating in Hells Canyon Reservoir, and 

 when you do, it is generally just a couple of motorized boats. 



Most of the recreation use on the reservoirs occurs on the two 

 reservoirs above Hells Canyon Reservoir, the Oxbow and Brownlee 

 Reservoirs, and the vast majority of fishing, in fact, I have actually 

 fished in Brownlee Reservoir myself, and that is where most of the 

 crappie and bass fishing occurs is in those reservoirs. You see very 

 little fishing in Hells Canyon Reservoir. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. Thank you, Mr. Bailey. I do want to thank 

 this panel very much for your very informative testimony and as 

 I have said earlier, the record will remain open for ten days if you 

 would like to submit additional testimony, and I want to ask the 

 Forest Service also if they would like to respond to anything or 



