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what is occurring and the type of authority that is being exeri;ed 

 by agencies. 



I think your statement about whether they can regulate a park 

 to allow you to go out on the river, I know the Chairman and I 

 have had occasion, not very often, but to go fishing, and you are 

 right. The fishing is better at 5:00 than it is at 7:00, but it seems 

 like we have an agency that in some instances and some people in 

 the agency that are merely looking for control more than manage- 

 ment, and I do appreciate your comments and your testimony. 



Thank you very much. 



Mr. Hansen. I thank the gentleman from Oregon. Listening to 

 this group speak, these are really the kind of folks that really do 

 work on the rivers, and I have often wondered; I am not as familiar 

 with it as you folks are, but I have spent a lot of time on the Green 

 River and Flaming Gorge and those areas. I have been over the en- 

 vironmental impact statement, and I don't know whether the plan 

 they are coming up with is going to change the experience that peo- 

 ple have, whether it will be a good experience or be a bad experi- 

 ence. 



I really didn't find any complaints up in your area. Vernal, north 

 of Duchesne, way over, up around those little towns going the other 

 way. It looked pretty good, and I really get concerned when we 

 start regulating. Regulation gives us more heartburn around here 

 than any other single thing. 



I have often said that the most powerful person in the world is 

 the young attorney who writes regulations after we finish with the 

 laws. He can put something in there and I can hardly recognize the 

 law. 



I used to be speaker of the house in Utah, and I used to get to 

 write one page for every paragraph so they could understand and 

 the courts wouldn't sue me and the president of the Senate on the 

 Congress' intent. 



I know that the Forest Service has a big responsibility, and I ap- 

 preciate our good, dedicated citizens who work in the Forest Serv- 

 ice, but I sometimes worry that we create our own problems, kind 

 of like your statement. I agree, too, if it ain't broke, don't mess 

 around with it, but it seems like we are very good at that. 



I do feel that private industry and voluntary controls go a long 

 way. People doing things, maybe we can be very gentle in how we 

 induct them into that, but I do appreciate the testimony that the 

 three of you have given us. It has been very informative to all of 

 us. 



I am going to ask the gentlelady from Idaho if she would take 

 the chair. I have a mark-up on resource development. I am one of 

 the ranking members, and I have to get over there, and it is very 

 important, but I do want to thank you for being here, and I call 

 the next panel, which is Panel III, and I thank this panel. 



Mr. Dick Sherwin, from Clarkston, Washington; Mr. Darrel 

 Bentz, Intermountain Excursions from Lewiston, Idaho; and Ms. 

 Sandra Mitchell, Executive Director of Hells Canyon Alliance, 

 Boise, Idaho. If those folks would like to come forth, I would really 

 appreciate it. 



