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Mr. COOLEY. But under the new guidelines, will that same issue 

 apply to the nonmotorized as well in equivalent numbers? If you 

 had to live with that guideline do you think everybody can live 

 with it? 



Mr. Thomas. I would answer the question by saying we are seek- 

 ing balance, which I guess we would agree that we need balance. 

 Maybe we disagree about how to approach it. 



Mr. CoOLEY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Hansen. Thank you. I appreciate the panel being with us 

 today. 



I guess to summarize the concerns that we may have, if we get 

 the statistics, 97 percent of the folks are happy with the issue of 

 rivers. We also have the commercials and others saying that more 

 proposals limit their use voluntarily. It kind of makes you wonder 

 about the necessity of this. 



With that said, let me thank each and every one of you for being 

 here, and I know you would like to get out of here and get off the 

 hot seat, and I can surely understand that, but sometimes, the 

 folks that follow you may give information you may want to hear, 

 and I know you have got other things to do and we don't want to 

 take your time, but if you would like to stay, you would be more 

 than welcome to listen to some of the testimony from some other 

 folks. 



Mr. Undersecretary, thank you for being here. Chief, always good 

 to see you, and I appreciate your taking the time. 



Mr. Thomas. Mr. Chairman, the three people to my left will re- 

 main through the hearing. They are actually the people that know 

 anything anyway. 



Mr. Hansen. Thank you. We appreciate it. We will call our next 

 panel. 



Our next panel is Mr. Craig CoUett, Vice President of Flaming 

 Gorge Lodge, Dutch John, Utah; Mr. Harold Egbert, President of 

 the Green River Outfitters and Guides Association, Dutch John, 

 Utah; Mr. David Feltch, from Vernal Utah. 



Let us take them in the order of Mr. Egbert, Mr. CoUett, and Mr. 

 Feltch in that order. Would that be all right? 



Mr. Egbert, we are going to take you first. Is that OK? 



Mr. Egbert. That will be fine. 



Mr. Hansen. Let me thank you for being here, and we will just 

 ask you questions. We are going to run out of time, and that wor- 

 ries me, so do you think you could condense your comments to five 

 minutes, and we will go to questions? Does that give you enough 

 time? 



Mr. Egbert. Yes, we can. 



Mr. Hansen. When that light in front of you — I do the same 

 thing with my members, it is just like a traffic light. When it shows 

 green, you start, and when it is red, you wrap it up. Mr. Egbert, 

 you have the time, sir. 



STATEMENT OF HAROLD EGBERT, PRESIDENT, GREEN RIVER 

 OUTFITTERS AND GUIDES ASSOCIATION, DUTCH JOHN, UTAH 



Mr. Egbert. Thank you. My name is Harold Egbert. I represent 

 the 13 outfitters and guides who are legally licensed to carry on 

 commercial activities on the Green River. 



