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the laws that you have to follow, but we want to do it fairly and 

 equitably, so that people do have a good experience on the river. 



But experience on the river is kind of like beauty. It is in the eye 

 of the beholder. I have run the Grand Canyon a number of times. 

 My oldest son used to be a riverman on the canyon. I walked across 

 it. My wife, who 100 years ago worked at the North Rim, where 

 she was the receptionist there, and I have even flown in an air- 

 plane down there. Most of us do have some love affair with the 

 Canyons in the Grand Canyon; yet every time I go down there, I 

 like to question people, like at the old Whitmore Ranch or some of 

 those areas, what did they think of it, and it's — you won't help the 

 fur trade. Like a lawyer from LA said he was going to sue the Park 

 Service or the Forest Service or whoever I need to, because I saw 

 condensation trails as I was hiking down Wetpan Ridge. How ex- 

 treme can you get? 



You can't ground Delta Airlines and American Airlines and that 

 kind of thing, and we don't necessarily have a Huey right over his 

 head. I could agree to that, but somewhere, there is some modera- 

 tion in all these things. 



I worry about the people. Secretary Babbitt was sitting here the 

 other day and he and the President want to substantially reduce 

 the amount of people who could overfly when they brought props. 

 Well, I can see that, but on the other side of the coin, what about 

 the people who don't have the time? What about the people who 

 canit do it, the older folks? Don't they have a right to see the can- 

 yons, too? 



We are always trying — I don't know who said moderation in all 

 things. It should be strictly limited, but somewhere, there has got 

 to be §ome moderation. We are all trying to get to that point. 



Excuse me, I don't want to give you my lecture. We are honored 

 to have the ranking member of the committee, the gentleman from 

 New Mexico, Mr. Richardson, with us for any appropriate wisdom 

 he wants to share. 



Mr. Richardson. Mr. Chairman, I am just here to make sure 

 you are not hurting my friends. 



Mr. Hansen. I have the greatest respect for Mr. Lyons. 



Mr. Richardson. Mr. Chairman, I just have one question on the 

 Snake River. Are there any restrictions on powerboaters on the 

 Snake River? 



Mr. Lyons. Bob, why don't you address that? Bob Richmond is 

 the supervisor responsible for that area. 



Mr. Richmond. There are currently proposed restrictions for 

 powerboats on the Snake River, and we are in the planning proc- 

 ess. We are about to issue an environmental assessment on the 

 powerboat restrictions, and we will be going through this summer 

 analyzing again the feedback from the public, and I will make a 

 decision by the first of August of this year on that issue. 



Mr. Richardson. The Hells Canyon legislation, as I understand 

 it, stipulates that there have to be some kind of control and use 

 of motorized river craft. Isn't that correct? 



Mr. Richmond. The legislation is not that clear in terms that 

 there has to be restrictions on anything. What the legislation does 

 is tells us that motorized use on the Snake River is an acceptable 

 use and gives us the language, I believe, to manage that use just 



