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Mr. KiLDEE. In the Great Lakes Basin also we border on — from 

 my district, I either go east or south to get to Canada. And do you 

 coordinate with any of those things at all with the Dominion of 

 Canada or the Province of Ontario? 



Mr. Unger. That is a good question again, and I don't have an 

 immediate answer for you. I would think if there are issues that 

 encompass moving across those boundaries, we definitely would do 

 that. I will, again, provide that to you for the record. 



Mr. KiLDEE. Why I ask, among other reasons, is that we in 

 Michigan, being kind of a microcosm of the country, a large indus- 

 trial State and a large agriculture State and forest State, we prob- 

 ably get criticized for our effect upon the air quality with our large 

 industrial base there. But several years ago we discovered that Si- 

 beria, Ontario, was the great offender in putting things in the air 

 that later were affecting the forest, and I was wondering how close- 

 ly you work with — how many acres will be covered in your Great 

 Lakes assessment? 



Mr. Unger. Let me ask if one of my staff has the sheet on that 

 particular assessment handy and 



Mr. KiLDEE. If you don't have that- 



Mr. Unger. We have it here, if you can wait just a moment. 



Mr. KiLDEE. Sure. 



Mr. Unger. Can I say in the meantime, if I may be pardoned of 

 personal references, I have testified before you in this committee 

 before. I have always wanted to mention that I am from Michigan 

 too. 



Mr. KiLDEE. That is great. 



Several years ago I was chief sponsor of the Michigan wilderness 

 bill that was signed into law by President Reagan, and it has 

 worked very well. The wilderness is beautiful. I have been up there 

 visiting it. The Forest Service has done a fine job. The Michigan 

 Forest Service people are respected up there very well also, and 

 there is harvesting taking place. The timber industry worked with 

 me closely on that. 



It shows how you can accomplish several purposes within our 

 U.S. forests and preserve the environment. The beauty of the 

 92,000 acres is really pristine, enormous, awesome, yet we are also 

 harvesting. 



The forest industry of Michigan is coming back. It was almost de- 

 stroyed in about 1921 — brought the last load of virgin timber from 

 the Lower Peninsula into Traverse City in 1921. There was still 

 some virgin timber left in the Upper Peninsula. We are making a 

 great comeback in the forest industry. 



Go ahead. 



Mr. Unger. In answer to your question about the size of the 

 area, it is 98,000 square miles in northern Michigan, Wisconsin, 

 and Minnesota. 



I don't see any answers in this particular piece of information to 

 the other questions that you asked earlier, and we will have to pro- 

 vide that. 



Mr. KiLDEE. Sure. If you can you supply that, I would appreciate 

 it. 



