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Is that the FLPMA Act that we are concerned with there, Mr. 

 Snyder? 



Mr. Snyder. I think it is the forest land management planning. 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. That is a problem. 



Mr. Snyder. I don't think it is any one act. They are all well- 

 intended, but if you look at the cumulative effects of steering, plan- 

 ning through all the different acts that we have, that basically for 

 the Forest Service becomes a morass. Mindboggling, how they even 

 begin to try to comply with some of the things they have to do. 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. Mr. Herger alone has lost 30 mills in his district 

 due to this nonsense, and I have lost a couple now in my district. 

 If we look, 30 versus 2, I can tell you this has caused a lot of pain. 

 Mr. Snyder knows because he was there with one of them, and we 

 don't know how long that we will be afflicted with these CASPO 

 guidelines which are causing this artificial shortage because of the 

 delay in issuing the final EIS that may occur as a result of waiting 

 for SNEP. 



So it is been very disma3dng, and I guess with that we will thank 

 the members of our second panel. I feel like we gave very short 

 shrift to the other two issues on this, and for that I apologize. We 

 had a bunch of Californians who were concerned with Sierra Ne- 

 vada Ecosystem Project. 



At the time this hearing was called, we were supposed to have 

 been in session today and you would have had a fuller committee, 

 so I apologize to our witnesses. But your testimony is in the record; 

 it will be taken into account. We will ask you, please, no doubt 

 there will be a few other questions that we would like to submit 

 in writing; and if you would all please respond as expeditiously as 

 possible, we would appreciate it. 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. And with that 



Mr. LOESEL. Mr. Chairman, if I may add something for the 

 record. In the testimony given by Mr. Dessecker, he indicated that 

 there was a de facto or a tacit decision made in the Southern Appa- 

 lachian Assessment that there would be no entry into roadless 

 areas. I believe that he is under a wrong impression. I am sorry 

 to say, there are in fact, timber projects, moving forward in some 

 of these roadless areas. 



Forest Service has a list of projects that they plan to conduct in 

 these roadless areas. I receive a stream of decision notices and op- 

 portunities for comment on scoping for these projects. I believe 

 there is ample information available showing that projects are 

 moving forward and that there is no de facto decision either in the 

 Southern Appalachian Assessment, or elsewhere, to not enter 

 roadless areas in the Southern Appalachians. 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. I don't want to redebate this issue. 



Do you want to respond, Mr. Dessecker? 



Mr. Dessecker. Given that 13 percent of the suitable timber 

 base is contained within those potential roadless areas, it is very 

 easy matter to determine. Come back a year from now to find out 

 if 13 percent of the timber sales are contained, within this land 

 base. 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. Not to be pessimistic, but based on what hap- 

 pened in the past, I would be very surprised indeed if that doesn't 

 turn out to be the case. But I won't bore you with my editorial com- 



