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So we have gone from westside terrestrial to anadromous fish 

 streams to resident fish streams and virtually all streams covered 

 throughout the Columbia Basin. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. Mr. McGreer, was there a decision in the Fed- 

 eral district court with regards to FEMAT and its legitimacy? 



Mr. McGreer. I am sorry. I am having a little trouble hearing 

 back here. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. Was there a recent decision within the last 

 two or three years out of the Federal district court with regards to 

 FEMAT, that included PACFISH? 



Mr. McGreer. I don't recall if FEMAT actually formally incor- 

 porates PACFISH, but essentially the PACFISH guidelines — or not 

 guidelines, requirements for riparian management area designation 

 are imbedded within FEMAT. I am just not sure they call it 

 PACFISH within FEMAT. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. I have just one final question then I am going 

 to turn the committee back over to the Chairman. 



What kind of success have you had in reviewing the science of 

 the EIS project in the Columbia River? 



Mr. McGreer. I have had excellent success in working with 

 some of the people involved in the project, and I have been able to 

 share information with them and that has worked back and forth. 

 I have been frustrated in that I have not been able to obtain the 

 scientific assessment or scientific evaluation of the alternatives for 

 the area that I deal with, which is aquatics and riparian. That 

 makes it pretty tough to read the first draft of an environmental 

 impact statement and really understand the thinking that supports 

 it. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. Mr. McGreer, I think you probably share my 

 feeling that they have some of the finest people on the project, it 

 just doesn't make it a good project though, in my opinion. 



With that, I would like to turn the committee back over to the 

 Chairman, Mr. Hansen. 



Mr. Hansen. [Presiding.] You will have to excuse us. We are in 

 and out. We have about five other committees we are supposed to 

 be at, and I apologize. We couldn't keep everybody here, as you 

 know, on the Hill; I don't know anybody that can. 



Anything else you just have a burning desire to say that you feel 

 you won't be complete if you don't get it out? 



Mr. McGreer. No, sir. 



Mr. Hansen. I am trying to stall because Mr. Radanovich wants 

 to ask you some questions, and he isn't here, but we can't keep you 

 here. 



I also want — I understand Mr. Cooley has some questions. If you 

 two gentlemen would be agreeable, we would like to submit some 

 questions to you, as well as the other panelists that were here, on 

 things that we feel very strongly about. 



[The information may be found at the end of hearing.] 



Mr. Hansen. I guess basically, as we look at this issue, we have 

 had a lot of hearings. I am just wondering if the kind of money we 

 are putting up for this — I am just counting up the dollars; it gets 

 pretty expensive — about the ability to produce timber and other re- 

 sources, keep the environment clean and correct. And do you think 



