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Senator Murkowski. Mr. Leonard, at page 5 of your testimony 

 you correctly point out that the original TLMP was used by Con- 

 gress for Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act land 

 designations in southeastern Alaska, and the TLMP could be used 

 by the Congress now. 



Could this committee have the draft TLMP alternatives, includ- 

 ing your maps, for use in its land proposals, and when could you 

 get them to us? 



Mr. Leonard. Yes, Senator Murkowski, we could make those 

 available to this committee about the third or fourth week in 

 March. 



Senator Murkowski. At page 5 of the testimony which has been 

 given in advance, the SEACC group says that the KPC 1989-1994 

 FEIS shows the following declines by the year 2054. They show a 

 56 percent decline in bald eagles, a 58 percent decline in Sitka 

 black-tailed deer, a 59 percent decline in pine marten, a 39 percent 

 decline in black bear, 45 percent decline in river otters. And I am 

 not sure we had them, but I guess we do: a 69 percent decline in 

 hairy woodpeckers. 



Can you comment? 



Mr. Leonard. I will ask Regional Forester Barton to respond to 

 that. 



Mr. Barton. Yes, sir. Those are worst case analyses. That is a 

 decline in habitat, not necessarily population. There are a lot of 

 factors that enter into the actual populations and any impacts on 

 those. 



One of the things we desperately need in Alaska are population 

 objectives for various species. We continue to pursue that. 



But that assumes that the harvesting, those projections assume, 

 that the harvesting would continue at the same intensity until 

 2054. It assumes that our practices and guidelines, our protective 

 practices and guidelines, are not followed. 



It only deals with the localized area. It is not a generalized pro- 

 jection, but it is a projection for the area involved in the impact 

 statement. 



Senator Murkowski. Mr. Chairman, I have got a lot more ques- 

 tions, but obviously we want to move on to accommodate the other 

 panel. I am wondering if we may submit questions to the panel, as 

 a consequence of the time, and have them back by whatever time 

 you set. 



The Chairman. We would like to go to markup probably next 

 week, so there would have to be a fairly quick turn-around. But 

 could the witnesses get us written answers by next week? 



Mr. Leonard. Assuming we get the questions right away, we will 

 get responses right away. 



Senator Murkowski. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



The Chairman. Senator Wallop. 



Senator Wallop. Mr. Chairman, thank you. 



I have got to say I'm again a little distracted that you go to 

 markup before you have the forest plan. I have got to say that Con- 

 gress put that in place working with the environmental communi- 

 ty, working with the Forest Service. It was a plan, it was a process, 

 by which all of us were supposed to know what to do on the forest. 



