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It is not a decision of a guy with a chainsaw. It is a decision of 

 what is allowed in the cut. 



Are you going to extend this policy — would you recommend that 

 this policy be extended to the Lower 48? 



Dr. Brooks. Well, I left the Lower 48 and went to Alaska because 

 I did not like what I was seeing in the Lower 48. I came from the 

 State of Michigan, where when I was old enough to realize it there 

 were some 16 acres of virgin white pines left in the whole State. 



Senator Wallop. That does not answer my question. My question 

 was do you think you would recommend this policy to the Lower 

 48? 



Dr. Brooks. It depends on the situation, Senator. 



Senator Wallop. Once again we are getting back to the very 

 same conclusion, that the situation is the thing which ought to 

 drive the process, not some blanket conclusion as we sit here in a 

 room that is 100 miles from any forest and anadromous stream. 



Dr. Brooks. If your objective is to protect salmon habitat, then I 

 would recommend it to people in the Lower 48, yes. 



Senator Wallop. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Dr. Koski. Senator. 



The Chairman. Thank you very much. 



I think Dr. Koski wanted to make a very brief comment. Then 

 we have got another five witnesses after this. Obviously we have 

 not exhausted all the questions, but very briefly, Dr. Koski. 



Dr. Koski. Thank you, Senator. 



I would just like to make a little bit of a clarification. The mini- 

 mum 30 meter zone is based on scientific evidence and I will be 

 glad to supply you with all the evidence that supports that. 



There is a misinformation or misconcept. Now, the 30 meter 

 zone, the minimum 30 meter zone, is a fish habitat. It is fish habi- 

 tat. It is very important to the stream habitat. What we are advo- 

 cating is that that zone be kind of like a bottom line and the Feder- 

 al forest managers are able to use that and make recommendations 

 for site-specifics to extend that if necessary in some cases. 



In cases where there is wind-throw potential, shallow soils, great- 

 er channels, et cetera, you there would have a much wider zone, 

 and that is where your specialist would make that recommenda- 

 tion. 



But what we are saying in essence is there is a minimum zone to 

 supply fish habitat, and that applies to all the drainages within 

 southeast Alaska. To carry that another step further 



The Chairman. Why don't you submit that to us in writing. 



Dr. Koski. I will, sir. 



Senator Wallop. Mr. Chairman, when he is submitting, I would 

 ask him to submit any studies that may have been done where on 

 occasion the changes in riparian habitat may in fact enhance 



Dr. Koski. Well, I would love to comment on that, but I never 

 had a chance to. There has never been a documentation in Alaska 

 or anywhere else that I know of that logging has been used to en- 

 hance fish habitat 



Senator Wallop. I did not say logging. 



Dr. Koski. What are you asking for then, sir? 



Senator Wallop. Changes in the riparian habitat. 



Dr. Koski. Changes to the riparian habitat. 



