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a specific zone so as to take that discretion away from the Forest 

 Service? 



Dr. Anderson. Yes, I would strongly support that. I think just as 

 a matter of logistics and funding, the Alaska Department of Fish 

 and Game Habitat Division certainly does not have the funding or 

 the manpower to investigate and enforce those things. 



I seriously doubt whether the Forest Service does, either. 



The Chairman. That is the position of the State of Alaska, Mr. 

 Lindh? 



Mr. Lindh. I would say so. Outside of the buffer zones which we 

 have talked about here at some length, the Forest Service still will 

 exercise considerable discretion. They have spoken about in some 

 cases under current practices providing up to 500 feet of streamside 

 protection. 



The Chairman. All right. I do not want a long answer. 



Mr. Lindh. Okay. 



The Chairman. Just that is the position of the State of Alaska. 



Mr. Finney, could you tell me briefly, why do you think the 

 Forest Service's credibility is apparently low here, with the fisher- 

 men? 



Mr. Finney. Well, Mr. Chairman, I would say that the people 

 that we hear stating that the credibility is low are fish biologists, 

 who look at one thing and that is fish biology. 



The Forest Service unfortunately has to look at all of the other 

 resources, including timber and wildlife, recreation and so forth. So 

 I think that probably is the answer to that question. 



The Chairman. Okay. Now, Mr. Finney, if you can tell me, if you 

 know, we have been harvesting in Alaska about 320 to 450 million 

 board-feet a year. I think lately it has been in the high 300's, is 

 that correct? 



Mr. Finney. Yes, sir. I think this last year it was in excess of 

 400. 



The Chairman. Okay. Now, under the House bill in your view, 

 assuming market conditions are okay, how much could you har- 

 vest, do you know? 



Mr. Finney. Well, under the present ANILCA legislation, 450 

 million feet average is the limitation. 



The Chairman. I am talking about the House bill. 



Mr. Finney. Under the House bill? 



The Chairman. Yes, H.R. 987? 



Mr. Finney. Yes, I know the bill. And your question was how 

 much could we harvest if that were law? 



The Chairman. Yes. 



Mr. Finney. Well, there is so much variance in the interpreta- 

 tion. I have heard here today that now they are not talking about 

 all of Class III streams. Originally we heard all of Class III streams 

 and most of Class II and all of Class I were going to have buffer 

 strips, and so forth. 



So it varies when people change their testimony on what is going 

 to happen. 



The Chairman. Well, let us say you have the House bill. It is 

 rather vague in the House bill on buffer zones, but let us say you 

 defined it as being 100 feet with no selective harvesting on Class 

 I's, that you have got 100 feet on those Class II's that drain into 



