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leave shortly to make another appointment and ask Senator Mur- 

 kowski to preside. 



I would like to announce that additional questions for the record 

 will be available for the witnesses. The minority would like to 

 submit additional questions after the hearing, and the witnesses, if 

 you would come directly here after the hearing and the staff will 

 have those questions for you. 



We ask that the answers be submitted as fast as is practical for 

 you, because we do not want to delay the markup for that. 



I would like to explain that we have heard testimony about the 

 further studies which would enhance the legislation, and I am sure 

 that that is true in this case and it is always true. But I think if we 

 are going to keep control of this legislation, we have got to proceed 

 to markup. 



I hope we can find that fine balance between the environment 

 and economics — environomics? What did you say it was? 



Ms. Troll. Environomics. 



The Chairman. Environomics is better than envirocomics. 

 [Laughter.] 



The Chairman. But I hope we can make that proper balance, 

 and I hope we can have those compromises made within this com- 

 mittee and then within a conference committee. I think that would 

 be better than to let the matter be decided strictly on political 

 grounds on the floor. 



So we are going to try to do that as best we can, which is going 

 to mean that we are going to have to work hard and we are going 

 to have to get to it probably next week. 



This panel has been very good. I appreciate your testimony, and 

 we will further look at your written responses to the questions. 



Senator Murkowski. 



Senator Murkowski. I would defer, Mr. Chairman, to Senator 

 McClure. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for holding this hearing. 



Senator McClure. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, 

 Senator Murkowski. 



I will be very brief. I apologize for not having been here through- 

 out the entire afternoon. There are a number of conferences going 

 on with respect to the Clean Air Act, which also occupies a great 

 deal of attention around here these days, and I cannot be two 

 places at once. 



I am very much interested in what happens in this legislation be- 

 cause I think it is typical of the kind of resource conflicts that we 

 try to resolve and moderate by legislation. I am a little bit con- 

 cerned about how well or poorly we do that. 



I am somewhat struck by some inconsistencies, both in my own 

 position and that of others. I point the finger first at myself be- 

 cause I realize none of us are terribly consistent where inconsisten- 

 cy serves our cause, and I think I detect a little bit of that here on 

 the part of more than one. 



Having said that, I also want to draw attention to my opening 

 statement, which I believe has been placed in the record already. 

 For those who want a larger statement of my concerns might find 

 it there, but I will not take the time to repeat them all here. 



Maybe I can start out with a very general question and then 

 submit most of mine for the record. The general question to each of 



