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land, we have got clearcuts which are on Native land, and that is a 

 reality. 



But the Forest Service has had practices of late on the major 

 areas of cruising, to try and have those areas less visible, and of 

 course the regrowth comes back in 10 or 15 years and it is pretty 

 hard to see. 



But a point has been made that if you did not have the industry 

 at the level that you have in Southeastern today, the tourist indus- 

 try would not be able to enjoy the facilities which it enjoys, namely 

 the tugs, the number of air flights into Ketchikan or Juneau or 

 Sitka. 



I wonder, probably Mr. Finney, if you would care to enlighten us 

 to some extent on the significance of the investment in the timber 

 industry that leads to the resources available to the tourist indus- 

 try. 



Mr. Finney. I think it is very true, Senator, that the infrastruc- 

 ture is being built by the timber industry in a lot of those areas, 

 and that they are building. Out on Prince of Wales Island, there is 

 700 miles of drivable road. There is another probably 700 miles of 

 road that has been put back to bed and will not be used until the 

 next century. 



But we are finding now that the tourist industry, one of their 

 largest destinations on our ferry system is Prince of Wales Island, 

 where people are landing their campers and starting to drive that 

 road system. It is the only large contiguous road system in South- 

 east Alaska. 



As I said earlier in my testimony, Ketchikan only has 20 miles of 

 road, roughly 20 miles of road north and 20 miles south of town. 

 That is the end of our world. But the reason it does not go any fur- 

 ther is because there is not a contiguous timber supply to carry 

 those roads. So that is one thing. 



The other thing is that the timber industry, a lot of those people 

 in the camps are there year-round. They sustain the air traffic that 

 the tourists use in the summertime to make their flight-seeing 

 trips through Misty Fjords and those areas. 



If the timber industry was not there to sustain that year-round, 

 those airplanes would have to leave in the wintertime and only 

 come back in the summertime. It would be less economic to the 

 tourist industry than they were by having them supported by the 

 timber industry. 



Senator Murkowski. I assume the tugs, too, are a factor for 

 docking? 



Mr. Finney. Yes, plus the freight boats that deliver the supplies 

 and so forth to the outlying areas. There is more and more fishing 

 camps and areas building up on Prince of Wales and in other areas 

 that are dealing with tourists, and those are supplied by the same 

 facilities and the same infrastructure that supplies the timber in- 

 dustry. 



On an earlier question, I just wanted to make perhaps a clarifica- 

 tion on the people thing that you had with the McDowell report 

 between the fishing and the logging. McDowell when they did the 

 logging used year-round job equivalents, in that they took each 

 month of employment in the logging industry and added those to- 

 gether and divided by twelve. 



