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The Chairman. You have to remember one thing. There is a re- 

 port to Congress that says they are. 



Mr. Bristol. No. The report does not say that. It does not meet 

 the three-part criteria. 



The Chairman. Remember where ANILCA came from. Remem- 

 ber where ANCSA came from. Where did it come from? 



Mr. Bristol. It came from Senator Stevens. Senator Stevens has 

 not admitted the five villages were left out. 



The Chairman. What Congress did before they can do again. Is 

 that true? 



Mr. Bristol. Yes. 



The Chairman. Now, if the Congress decides that these villages 

 are, in fact, entitled to that land, they will get that land. 



Mr. Bristol. And all we are saying is before you go and you 

 hand over 200,000 of the Tongass to these for-profit corporations 

 that do the same things that Klawock Heenya has done and 

 Sealaska has done and Huna Totem has done, it has to be a full 

 public process, because everyone that lives there gets impacted by 

 that. 



The Chairman. But you do not like the for-profit Native corpora- 

 tions? You do not want the Natives to make a profit? 



Mr. Bristol. That is not necessarily the point, but we want to 

 make sure all options are- 



The Chairman. It is a point 



Mr. Bristol. First of all, you would not find consensus among 

 Native people 



The Chairman. I understand that, and I worked through this 

 very carefully. This is not — by the way, the reason I bring this up 

 is because your group has accused me of doing this because of the 

 pulp mill. The truth of the matter is I have been working this land- 

 less bill for about 10 years, and I have worked very closely with 

 the landless people, trying to talk to them and encourage them to 

 make the correct selection. I, very frankly, worked very closely with 

 these groups, and if they decide not to choose the land on the 

 Tongass, under my bill they can choose elsewhere. 



Mr. Bristol. But have you given the option of choosing what 

 kind of government they want? Do they want to be a corporation? 

 Do they want to have tribes that control these? 



The Chairman. Now you are deciding what they want. 



Mr. Bristol. No, but there are a lot of people in the commu- 

 nity 



The Chairman. Let us let Vicki speak. 



Ms. LeCornu. I belong to a Native corporation, and I always 

 speak about the devisiveness it caused. It was not a choice to us. 



The Chairman. I understand that. 



Ms. LeCornu. That is probably the difficulty that Tim is talking 

 about. We do not want to drive it down their throat. We want to 

 give them a choice. Well, what do they want? Do they want a cor- 

 poration? Well, we know the corporations were a mistake for us. 



The Chairman. Vicki, under my bill it says the boundary of the 

 land for purpose of historical, cultural, economic, including timber, 

 tourism, recreation, development, and subsistence. That will be the 

 decision you have to make. 



Ms. LeCornu. Can I make a comment on that? 



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