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In addition, the audit will determine whether reforestation and 

 forest development funds have been used solely for their intended 

 purposes. 



That concludes my prepared statements. I would be happy to an- 

 swer any questions. 



Mr. Vento. Yes. Thank you very much, Ms. Fleischman. 



Mr. Vento. Mr. Penfold, just let me see if I can get the amounts 

 here right. I don't know if you have them, but you state you man- 

 age 2.2 million acres of forestland. How much of that is secondary 

 forest management that would fit into this restoration type of dis- 

 cussion we are having today of that 2.2 million acres? 



It is important that we understand the base, because if we look 

 at some of these numbers in terms of backlog you would wonder 

 what we are talking about. Some of it is virgin; it has never been 

 cut. Other is, perhaps, wilderness. I don't know exactly what the 

 make-up is of those BLM lands in this area. 



Mr. Shepard? 



Mr. Shepard. Mr. Chairman, the figures that were included in 

 this report were based on our 1980 plans. The new plans, the new 

 RMPs that we are developing now 



Mr. Vento. Well, let's just go with the base numbers that we 

 have here. 



Mr. Shepard. The 2.2 million acres, with our new plans, roughly 

 1.6 billion will be available in the timber base in some way. Forty- 

 one percent of the 2.2 million acres will be available for intensive 

 practices if the plans go through as they are now proposed. 



Mr. Vento. Yes. ^at you are looking at is a certain universe 

 of forest in BLM that is subjected or being manipulated with re- 

 gards to these activities that we are talking about today, which 

 were, incidentally, the subject of the IG's report as well. 



So out of that 2.2 you say there is 1.6 that is available eventually 

 somehow under the plan for harvest. But some of that has never 

 been harvested. Some of it is not being subject to this fertilization, 

 thinning, replanting. 



Mr. Shepard. I don't have a total figure for that. 



Mr. Vento. Okay. But, you know, when you look at that you say 

 we have got 100,000 acres that need fertilization, as an example, 

 and if you only had a million that were really secondary forests 

 that are subject, that would represent 10 percent over a period, 

 since the 1940s, that they have had a program going on it would 

 represent a substantial backlog. 



The difference here, Mr. Penfold, is your program is not driven 

 by forest receipts; is that correct? Not strictly? 



Mr. Penfold. Driven from the standpoint 



Mr. Vento. Dependent upon a fund that is set aside from alloca- 

 tions of receipts, you know, when you make sales. 



Mr. Penfold. That is true, and the Congress appropriates. 



Mr. Vento. The Congress appropriates directly. 



Mr. DeFazio. If the chairman would yield for just a second? 



Mr. Vento. I yield. I yield. 



Mr. DeFazio. Except for the portion which is contributed by the 

 counties, which through the appropriations process which is one- 

 quarter of the receipts. So that amount does vary according to the 

 receipts. 



