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special provisions on embargo of products that are caught by the 

 violators. 



Mr. Rogers. Will the chairman yield? 



The Chairman. I have the floor. 



Mr. Rogers. I thought you were the chairman. 



The Chairman. The subcommittee is controlling the time. 



I will be happy to yield. 



Mr. Rogers. Thank you. 



I am just delighted to see you, Mr. Pollock. 



I wonder, has there been any shift of the American fishing fleet to 

 foreign flag? 



Mr. Brewer. At the present time, there has not been such a shift, 

 "but we do have applications in hand for the transfer of six vessels. 



To be more precise, the Maritime Administration has these applica- 

 tions under their statutory authority, and in following customary 

 practice, has asked for our views on it. But no action has been taken 

 as yet. 



M r. Pollock. We have not given those views to MarAd. 



Mr. Rogers. What would be your attitude on that? 



Mr. Pollock. I am not sure that it would be wise to preempt the 

 judgment of the Department at this point, but we are certainly cogni- 

 zant of the fact that if any of our American tuna fleet did go under a 

 foreign flag, there would be serious problems with protecting the 

 porpoise that we are trying to protect under the act. 



Mr. Rogers. Do you have, as the law permits, a denial of the right 

 of shifting? 



Mr. Pollock. Yes, sir, I understand it does. 



Mr. Rogers. So it could be prevented if the Government so desired ? 



Mr. Pollock. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Brewer may want to comment further. 



Mr. Brewer. Yes, sir, that is a correct statement. However, the law 

 does not set up any standards under which this discretion is to be 

 exercised. 



In the past, it has been exercised on grounds of national defense. 



Mr. Rogers. Thank you. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Leggett. Mr. Murphy had to leave for a few moments. 



Mr. Oberstar? 



Mr. Oberstar. Xo comments at this time. 



Mr. Leggett. Mr. Studds ? 



Mr. Studds. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



May I first ask an elementary question on behalf of a sixth grade 

 student ? 



The chairman of the subcommittee is concerned about porpoises, 

 and the chairman of the full committee is concerned about dolphins. 

 Is there a difference ? 



Mr. Pollock. I will have to refer to my experts, but it is my under- 

 standing they are both the same animals. The National Marine 

 Fisheries Service does use different words, but I think biologically 

 they are the same. 



Dr. Fox. Dolphins and porpoises are cetaceans occurring in differ- 

 ent parts of the world. Although the terms are used interchangeably, 



