Mr. Ai.\i.im)\. I don't know. 



You will have to ask Captain Jorge because the last few seconds 

 or the minute or two of these so-called sleepers could make the 

 difference. 



We are talking 8,E sets :i vear and if you just say five more por- 

 poise, von are talking 12,500 animals, so there is a distinct possi- 

 bility. ' 



.Mr. Leggett. Captain Silva wanted to comment. 



Captain Sii.va. The vessel was the Elizabeth C-l. and the size is 



larger than the average, therefore he has got a lot more equipment 



that he is handling and if 11 minutes is average Tor the fleet and we 

 are considering all different categories of boats, it seems tome a 

 vessel his size, for a vessel that size, 13. whatever minutes with 11 

 for the fleet average, it seems like the timing is just about the same. 



Mi-. Felaxdo. The charter required a helicopter capability. 



At that time, there were only about five vessels having that capa- 

 bility in the U.S. fleet. 



1 believe only three vessels of the Elizabeth (J. class are in the 

 tuna fleet. 



When you get a 7.">0 fathom net versus a pull in of 620 fathom net. 

 you do have a difference and T think Captain Silva is correct in his 

 analysis. 



Mr. Leggett. Mr. Oberstar. 



Mr. Oberstar. Well, you certainly have given us a groat deal of 

 factual information and new light on this problem. 



What steps would you recommend the committee take? 



The last page of your statement says the act must be amended. 



How ? 



Mr. Felando. Well, we have some suggestions. 



There are two basic sections in the act that deal with commercial 

 fishermen, section 101 and parts of what is left applicable in section 

 111. 



There is no question that we agree for a continued research pro- 

 gram, that can be provided in section 111. 



We suggest that section 101. however, establishes a degree of un- 

 certainty about fishing that I think makes it impossible for people 

 to plan their future constructing a tuna vessel like the Elizabeth 

 ( '.-/. for $4.5 or $5 million. 



That is because that section says you may fish. There is no require- 

 ment in the law that says the Secretary will regulate fishermen. 



He can do nothing and the fishermen would not be able to fish 

 under this act. 



That is because the language in section 101 where for the first two 

 years from 1072 to October 1974. the act specifically provided that 

 fishing shall be permitted subject to regulations in section 111. 



We think that is the proper approach. 



At the present time, we don't know whether wo are going to — we 

 are not fishing right now full score. In other words, we cannot use 

 our net 100 percent of the time and that is because we have no permit 

 and we don't know when we are going to get a permit, and that is 

 what the act provide-. 



