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Will you do it on a basis of a kill, on tho basis of historical perform- 

 ance, or somebody in the previous year? 



A rate basis. And, in addition, you have a number of problems 

 like this. 



Also you have the — you treat the large and small boats the same. 

 So I am suggesting that this is an area that has to be looked very, 

 very closely before we end up with a system that could be inequita- 

 ble, really, for everyone, and it just has. 



Mr. Leggett. Is it not a fact that the small boat rate of kill per 

 ton is larger than the large boat? 



Mr. Hodges. I will have to defer to Mr. Alverson. My impression 

 is that small boats are not normally the problem. 



Mr. Alverson. Well, it depends on what we mean by small vessels. 



If we mean those of less than 400 tons carrying capacity, built 

 prior to 1961. I think their aggregate kill last year was extremely 

 low. because they just didn't set on any porpoise. This is going to be 

 one of our problems on a vessel-by-vessel quota, in that if you just 

 put a sheer number on it. let us say that you say 500, and if you 

 exceed that you are out of business. 



Now, if I had a man that killed 500 porpoises on one set, when he 

 caught, let us say, 100 tons of tuna, and another man that might kill 

 1.000 porpoises over the course of the year, but he caught 5.000 tons 

 of tuna while doing it, in association with porpoise, I would say ho 

 is a much more efficient fisherman than the guy that goes out and 

 clobbers porpoise one set. 



So one must be very careful in approaching this individual basis 

 for a vessel. There is a lot of hookers in the system. 



Mr. Leggett. Hooker is what we are trying to get you to use, but 

 you will not use them. You are using a net. All right. 



Ms. Pryor. May I make a comment on that ? 



I realize it is an immensely complicated thing. I am very much 

 against the use of net. reinforcement. It does not work entirely well. 



I wish there were — not plans for the — limitations for all the boats, 

 but some system of rewarding the boats that do a good job. 



Mr. Leggett. It works out the same way. You reward them by 

 letting them fish a little bit longer. 



Ms. Pryor. Yes, without penalizing the ones. 



I just would rather look on the plus than the minus. 



Mr. Alverson. Do you put the quota on a captain or on the boat? 

 That is another part of the system, because, let us say that I am — 

 it is very complicated. 



Mr. Leggett. You might put it on the captain, the crew, and the 

 boat. 



We have computers that work all this out. They solve all of the 

 apportionment of our public works fund where needed. 



Mr. Alverson. If I could make one comment. 



A little earlier Colonel Kaufmann stated that there was no prog- 

 ress for several years, and suddenly things have started to move. 



I think really what he was indicating was that there was no ap- 

 parent progress that he could see, and perhaps the progress was 

 not up to his and other people's expectations. 



