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that is slaughtering the porpoises in great numbers, and it is ono 

 thai is not necessary to catch yellowfin. 



I also believe very strongly that the American public frankly does 

 not know the difference generally between white meat tuna and light 

 moat tuna. It is a matter of enormous importance to the industry, 

 but so far as the public is concerned, their whole day is not going to 

 be ruined if their tuna fish sandwich is made out of white tuna in- 

 stead of light tuna. 



I think the public has made quite clear to the Congress before, 

 and I hope it will continue to do so, that if the cost of saving the 

 porpoise is eating a little less tuna fish or eating white meat instead 

 of light meat, or paying a few cents more a can. that they are willing 

 to do that. 



T think that it is simply economic greed which eevntually not only 

 is going to do in the porpoise but also many other animals on the 

 face of the globe. We have had startling experiences of it. The whale 

 is an example. We no longer catch whales. Any U.S. citizen catching 

 whales is violating U.S. law. 



When Congress passes a piece of legislation that is designed to 

 save a species of animal, there is going to be some pinch. In this case 

 there is going to be some economic hardship on the American tuna 

 fleet, but there are other ways of catching yellowfin tuna. 



Up until 15 years ago. all yellowfin tuna was caught by another 

 method. Today most of the foreign fleet uses other methods. There 

 are other methods almost as modern as purse seining, which is the 

 only method I know of that results in a needless slaughter of a huge 

 number of very intelligent and very friendly creatures. Floating ob- 

 jects in the water are used by the Japanese; and sonar can be used. 

 There are other ways of catching yellowfin in nets without setting 

 on porpoise. It just happens that setting on porpoise is the easiest 

 way. and T think that the Congress said in 1972. and I hope what it 

 says today, is "cut it out.'' 



What T have may sound completely strange and apart from all the 

 arguments you have heard today. All you have heard today are the 

 refinements, that is, how can we get the killing down from 125.000 

 to 05.000, or to some other large figure? 



The committee for humane legislation and Friends of Animals are 

 opposed to setting quotas. 



Tf the industry cannot find a way or has not been able to find a 

 way in 5 years to set on porpoise without killing them, we think it is 

 time that the act not be weakened but strengthened and I will make 

 some suggestions for strengthening it. 



Another point that I have not heard mentioned at all. at least not 

 in this context, is that the original act does not alk only about the 

 killing of porpoises, but the "taking"' of porpoises, which encom- 

 passes the hunting, capturing, and harassing. By a very simple cal- 

 culation, using the Government's own figures, there are roughly 5 

 million porpoises that were caught in the nets last year. 



How do I arrive at that conclusion? Let us take 100,000 just as a 

 rough figure as the number that were killed. That represents some- 

 where in the neighborhood of 2 percent of those caught. In other 



