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as they went along:, Mr. Chairman, if T had a chance. So I do not 

 think that should be a part of the record. I think they should be 

 obligated to submit that in writing at a later time. 



Mr. Leooett. All right. Your point of order is noted. 



Ms. Forkan. And I would respectfully ask that, since avo always 

 end up, or T always end up at the end of the day testifying, that you 

 might speak with the parking lot attendant and have them stay open 

 after 6 o'clock. Ti might solve a lot of problems. 



Mr. Legoett. Well, I will see that counsel sees that your car gets 

 out of the lot. 



Ms. Forkan. I appreeinte that. 



Mr. Chairman, as you have noted, T have been here many times be- 

 fore today. And anticipating that T would be late in the day and 

 anticipating many of the things T wished to sny would have been 

 said, I made my statement very short and wish only to point out 

 some things that I have been noticing both since the last hearings 

 and also today. Particularly it is almost impossible to follow nil the 

 administrative hearings and court cases and the media assaults and 

 the day-by-day things going on in the tuna industry. And we are 

 hearing rumors of all kinds of lobbving going on. I cannot help but 

 wonder if all that energy and that blocking of cooperation that has 

 been going constantly on, if that had all been put into solving the 

 problem, I think we would be further ahead thnn we are today: and 

 we need to put money into efforts that are going to solve the prob- 

 lem and not constantly block everybody's attempts. 



For instance, today we saw a film produced by the tuna industrv 

 that was most upbeat — talking about upbeat — and in fact, when T 

 saw that, I thought to myself: "Why am I here?" According to this 

 film, everything is wonderful. 



The scientists, everybody, they are all out there working. Things 

 are really happening. Implying everything is solved. 



But yet on the other hand, Mr. Chairman, when you listen to the 

 testimony the problems are not solved and read the briefs presented 

 to the Administrative Law Judge, the industry is asking for quotas 

 of 08.000, which is much higher than the quota we had last year of 

 78.000. They ask for a quota on an aggregate basis with which most 

 scientists disagree rather than a species-by-species and stock-by-stock. 



They are willing to turn away from evidence that states that the 

 eastern spinners are depleted. They ask to kill that particular popu- 

 lation. And T do not see how this is cooperation. It is just incredible 

 that after all of these hearings and court actions and great cost to the 

 American taxpayer, it is incredible that the industry would still 

 resist the notion of an enforcement program with observers on 

 every boat. In fact, in their brief before the Administrative Law 

 Judge they supported only a "scientific observer program," and 

 they opposed observance for enforcement purposes. I do not under- 

 stand how that is cooperation like I saw on the film. 



I understand the dedicated vessel is still floundering. No one 

 seems to know when or if that is going to happen. Are they actually 

 going ahead? 



