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Mi-. Schonikq. Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. LEGGETT. How do you address that in your regulations? You 



ju-t say no setting on mixed storks? 



Mi-. ScHONiXGk That is correct. 



Mi-. Leggett. If you got 1 in with 1,000, is that mixed? 



Dr. White. That is the difference between accidental and inci- 

 dental. Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. LBGOETT. If you tjot 1 with 1,000, is (hat mixed? 



Dr. WHITE. It' you knew that there was one in there and you set 



on it then, indeed, you would be consciously taking one. But if you 



on a school and you thought there were no eastern spinners in 



there, and then you found some in there, we would regard that as 



accidental. 



As a matter of enforcement policy, we would not enforce against 

 Such accidental taking. 



Mr. LsGGETT. In your experience, what number of porpoise schools 

 in this eastern Pacific area are, in fact, mixed? 



Dr. White. I have various statistics, but the one T think is mean- 

 ingful is that '20 percent of the yellowfin tuna are taken in connec- 

 tion with mixed schools. 



Now, I think it is also true, however, to say that some captains 

 take a much higher percentage of the yellowfin in connection with 

 mixed schools. 



Mr. Manx in a. Bob, it is my understanding from Dr. Fox it is 

 more in the order of 48 percent in 1976 and 43 percent in 1975. Can 

 you clarify that \ 



Dr. White. Mixed schools with spinners? 



Mr. Maxxixa. Yes. 



Dr. Fox. Dr. White was referring to mixed schools with eastern 

 spinners. 



Mr. Leggett. All we are talking about is mixed schools with 

 eastern spinners. We have that straightened out. I was led to be- 

 lieve by the industry and others that perhaps 60 percent of the 

 schools wove mixed with eastern spinners. 



Dr. White. I have no reason to doubt these statistics that the in- 

 dustry is presenting but I think they are somewhat different from 

 the statistics that I presented and both may be consistent. 



Mr. Leggett. Is your statistic based on the results of your observer 

 findings \ 



Dr. White. I believe they are. sir. 



Mr. Leggett. All right. 



Does anybody else have any questions? Well, we can get to what 

 industry has in mind. 



Then, the question is, of that '20 percent of so-called mixed schools, 

 how much are they mixed. Dr. White ! 



Dr. White. I would have to ask Dr. Fox if he might comment 

 on that. 



Dr. Fox. It varies from a very small percentage up to close to 

 100 percent. 



Mr. Leggett. All right, so you have got a complete variation of 

 mixing. 



