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fishermen right now, the fact that they really put their full effort 

 in San Diego to try to explain this rather complex problem to the 

 administrative law 'judge and to the attorneys who had the oppor- 

 tunity to cross-examine them. 



And for Captain Medina to emphasize, I guess, the importance of 

 the eastern spinner involved in the mixed school fishing. 



Mr. Leggett. So we can keep these issues relatively in line, we 

 have had testimony concerning the observer program. 



I presume industrv does not like it. 



But that would not be the thing that would preclude you from 

 going out. 



We have had testimony on the numbers of 59,000 that had been 



prescribed. 



I suspect that would not be something that would preclude you 

 from going out? 



Mr. Felando. Yes; it would. 



We told you we have to have an increase. 



We have' to have an increase in white belly spinners from 7,840 

 to 17,000. 



We have to have an increase from to 6,500. To me, it is amazing, 

 it is ridiculous, when we all recognize in this room that the National 

 Marine Fishery Service expects the foreign fishermen to take 9,400 

 eastern spinners, but the U.S. fishermen take 0. 



In addition, 43,000 spotters is a marginal point with us. 



The best information we can get from our consultants is that 

 50,000 is a minimum. 



That is a tremendous challenge. We are willing to accept that. 



So I want to make it very clear on the record, 59,050 is not 

 acceptable to us. 



Mr. Leggett. You are not satisfied with the numbers or with 

 the 



Mr. Felando. Or with the finding- 



Mr. Leggett. Actually, what you think you need, 59,000 plus 17, 

 plus 65, is that correct? 



Mr. Felando. 17,000 as recommended by the administrative law 

 judge, with respect to white belly spinners. 6,500 or so with respect to 

 the eastern spinners. And my consultants tell me that the 43,000 

 level for the spotters is a high risk situation, and that the administra- 

 tive law judge recommended 65,000 spotters. And at 50 we would be 

 taking a risk, but not as great a risk at the 43,000. 



Mr. Leggett. Actually, what you are asking for is 7,000 more 

 spotters, is that right? 



Mr. Felando. My consultants say, I will let Frank explain this, he 

 thinks the fleet would be taking a tremendous risk at that level. 



Mr. Leggett. When you add 59, and 17 and 65, that is 82,000, 

 and add 7,000 more to that, that is 89,000. 



Mr. Felando. I will repeat the figures again. 



We are just dealing with three types. 



The key element is the 6,500 eastern spinners. 



Seventeen thousand white belly spinners, and that takes care of 

 the mixed school situation. 



