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them now, T think it would ho host to present them to you after tl 

 hearing. We have some suggestions that deal principally with secti' 

 ldl, that deal specifically with commercial fishing, and some sugg( 

 tioTis dealing with section 111, that again deals with commerci 

 fishing. 



Mr. Anderson. We heard the idea there should be some amen 

 incuts, and it is very difficult to discuss amendments unless we s 

 them. 



Mr. Felando. Yes. 



Mr. Anderson. But I heard this now for some time, and I wou 

 like to know what it is we are talking about. 



Mr. Felando. I am sorry, Congressman Anderson, but I do n 

 have that. I will see to it you get a copy of these ideas. 



Mr. Anderson. And my hast question regards Captain Medir 

 You were estimating a while ago the difference between the spinn 

 and the others, and you did not make it clear to me how diffici 

 it was to tell between the two types of spinneers, between the whil 

 belly and the eastern. Is that easy? 



I think somebody said it was like telling a blond from a brunet 

 or something. Is it very easy when they are going along calmly, 

 can you explain that to me. 



Mr. Medina. It depends on weather conditions. If it is a calm d; 

 and they are moving and jumping, it is pretty easy to tell it. 



Mr. Anderson. But you have to be close enough ? 



Mr. Medina. Yes, that is true. 



Then the fin is different. On the spinner porpoise the fin com 

 forward more, and on the spotter porpoise it goes back. 



What I was trving to explain earlier is when you have a bun< 

 of porpoises moving and traveling and all jumping and running, 

 is pretty hard to distinguish a fin on them. 



Mr. Anderson. Can you distinguish between the white-belly ai 

 the eastern spinner? 



Mr. Medina. You can tell the white-belly, because you see the whi 

 spot on the wmite-belly spinner. 



Mr. Anderson. But only if they are jumping? 



Mr. Medina. Only if they are jumping, yes, or if they are movir 

 out of the water. 



Mr. Anderson. Are they doing this most of the time? When yc 

 go out there, how are they moving? 



Mr. Medina. Well, sometimes the school is at a rest and they a 

 not moving much. Other times they are moving and jumping ar 

 you can distinguish. 



On the whole, you can distinguish whether there are spinners i 

 the school pretty well, but there are other times when the school 

 moving and there are just perhaps a few mixed in. And if you hai 

 a large school of 1,000 or 1,500 porpoises and there is only, say, 30 ( 

 40 or 100 spinners in there and they are not jumping, it is pretty har 

 to distinguish it until you can actually get close enough to make tr. 

 set. And even sometimes you think it is all spotters and you do mat 

 the set and get them in the nets, then you do see a few spinnei 

 in there. 



Mr. Anderson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



