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Mr. Leggett. Well, you are being a pood soldier. 



But lot me go back and ask further, did not your agency provide 

 to this committee your best estimate of the amount that would bi> 

 required to fund each of these two sections earlier this year? 



Mr. Getiringer. I am told by my staff that is correct. 



Mr. Leggett. And were not those numbers the numbers that are in 

 the bill? 



Mr. Gehrtnger. If those are the numbers, then those are the num- 

 bers in the bill. 



Mr. Leggett. All right. 



And so if we — we have to presume that your official duties are 

 regularly performed and that you had some rationale for those num- 

 bers at sometime, and I would appreciate it, obviously you are ap- 

 parently limited with either what you can say or what you want to 

 say or what your backup information is. 



I would appreciate your providing to the committee full and com- 

 plete backup information for the $8 million and for the $10 million. 



Mr. Gehringer. Yes, sir, we will furnish it. 



[The following was received for the record:] 



Estimated Budgets 



The numbers provided in early March to the Subcommittee without OMB 

 review and clearance, included funding for 100 percent observer coverage on 

 all large purse seiners. Consequently, the figures of $8 million for fiscal year 

 1977 and $10 million for fiscal year 1978 included the estimate for the annual 

 cost of approximately $5 million if such an observer program proved neces- 

 sary. 



The following table reflects the estimated budgets for fiscal year 1977 and 

 fiscal year 1978 upon which the estimated aauthorizations were requested: 



1977 estimate 1378 estimate 



Original Current Original Current 



Current programs funded under Marine Mammal Protection Act.' $3,445 '$3,445 '$3,758 '$3,758 



Current programs funded under Endangered Species Act and Fur Sea Act.. 889 889 889 889 



Additional tuna/porpoise observer activities * 2, 166 3 1,114 4 4, 666 s 1,114 



Total... 6,500 5,448 9,313 5,761 



1 Includes base program of $334^,000 for tuna/porpoise observers. 



2 Estimated additional amount required to implement a 100-pct tuna/porpoise observer program for one-half year. 



3 Estimated additional amount required to implement a 43-pct tuna/porpoise observer program for one-half year. 



4 Estimated additional amount required to implement a 100-pct tuna/porpoise observer program for a full year. 

 8 Estimated additional amount required to implement a 25-pct tuna/porpoise observer program for a full year. 



The totals shown in the table are based on more precise estimates of the 

 various program needs and are somewhat smaller than the amounts discussed 

 during the hearing which were developed from early estimates. 



The $5.5 million and $7.0 million referred to in the testimony generally 

 reflect the same requirements as the $8 and $10 million less the additional 

 amounts included for a 100 percent observer program, but adding the 

 $1,114,000 proposed as a 1977 supplemental for a partial observer program. 

 The balance of the difference between the 1977 and the 1978 amounts repre- 

 sents pending adjustments to base and a budget increase for additional tuna/ 

 porpoise behavior studies. 



Mr. Leggett. Now, Mr. MeCloskey wants to know why we can- 

 not put an observer on these big ships forthwith on all other 

 cruisers? 



Mr. Gehrtnger. Why we cannot put 



