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Mr. McCloskey. I discussed this matter with half a dozen tuna 

 skippers last week and about the only thing they would accept was 

 139 Hollywood starlets aboard their ships. 



Mr. Akaka. Yes, as I said, I question that. Because fishing was 

 a sport of mine, and I can see after fishing many years, I still have 

 a lot to learn. 



I just wonder, I have not had reports from the captains about 

 this, but I just wonder whether the captains are questioning some 

 of the reports that are coming from the observers. 



Mr. Gehringer. These students are all observing what is hap- 

 pening. They are not participating in the fishing operations, and 

 I am sure that the captains, at times, question the judgment of a 

 number of the observers. 



Mr. Akaka. Can you tell me what the function of the observer 

 is on board a fishing vessel ? 



Mr. Gehringer. Mr. Jensen will answer that. 



Mr. Jensen. Their function is basically to observe the operations. 

 They have a set pattern of information that they record, identifica- 

 tion of the marine mammals that are chased, circled, killed; they 

 count by species. They take biological samples of the mammals 

 taken, and they generally participate in all of the routine shipboard 

 activities, such as keeping the ship clean, and mess duty. 



Their general instructions are to be up when the crew is up, and 

 be active when the crew is active. 



Mr. Akaka. Is that person under command of the captain? 



Mr. Jensen. No. he is not. Only to the extent that he is aboard 

 the vessel is he under the jurisdiction of the captain. 



Mr. Akaka. But he still does duties of the ship ? 



Mr. Jensen. He has his own independent research duties to carry 

 out, but he does participate in the routine duties aboard ship when 

 possible. 



Mr. Akaka. Have you had any complaints from the ship captains 

 about observers? 



Mr. Jensen. Only in very rare occasions. 



Mr. Gehringer. Sir, we have had a number of observers who go 

 out for one trip and do not wish to sign aboard again. It is a long 

 time at sea, particularly if you are not accustomed to it; it is 

 difficult. 



Mr. Akaka. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Leggett. Thank you, Mr. Akaka. 



Mr. de la Garza ? 



Mr. de la Garza. No, sir. 



Mr. Leggett. All right 



Now, let me ask you this. 



When you go to Managua, or places like that, do you take observ- 

 ers with you, or do you use observers ? 



Mr. Gehringer. Yes; observers can accompany the delegation. 

 Actually, they are referred to as advisors, rather than observers, in 

 these situations. 



Mr. Leggett. Under the current law are you authorized a travel 

 and per diem for official observers ? 



Mr. Gehringer. Not for official observers. There is a provision in 

 the enabling legislation of several of the treaties to provide for 



